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The Rat
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Canada
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Posted - 01/08/2011 :  12:30:32  Show Profile  Visit The Rat's Homepage Send The Rat a Private Message  Reply with Quote

Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords is shot and killed in Tuscon. Many others were hit as well.


Bailey's second law; There is no relationship between the three virtues of intelligence, education, and wisdom.

You fiend! Never have I encountered such corrupt and foul-minded perversity! Have you ever considered a career in the Church? - The Bishop of Bath and Wells, Blackadder II

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Kil
Evil Skeptic

USA
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Posted - 01/08/2011 :  12:47:14   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by The Rat


Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords is shot and killed in Tuscon. Many others were hit as well.


Whoa!!

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sailingsoul
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Posted - 01/08/2011 :  13:01:44   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send sailingsoul a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Tragic. SS

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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard

USA
4574 Posts

Posted - 01/08/2011 :  14:13:59   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send H. Humbert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The latest says that she isn't dead but in surgery. An aide, however, was killed and several bystanders wounded.

Nothing yet on a possible motive of the shooter, who used an automatic weapon, but the media has already begun to draw a link to Sarah Palin's "Don't retreat...reload" campaign.

During the fall campaign, Sarah Palin, the former Republican vice-presidential candidate, posted a controversial map on her Facebook page depicting spots where Democrats were running for re-election; those Democrats were noted by crosshairs symbols like those seen through the scope of a gun. Ms. Giffords was among those on Ms. Palin’s map.



"A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true." --Demosthenes

"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool." --Richard P. Feynman

"Face facts with dignity." --found inside a fortune cookie
Edited by - H. Humbert on 01/08/2011 14:16:17
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Dr. Mabuse
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Sweden
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Posted - 01/08/2011 :  14:51:43   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Tragic.
At least they got the murderer in custody. There is now the possibility of finding out his motivations.
I wonder where the blame falls, and what kind of political aftermath...
An attack on a democratically elected representative is an attack on democracy itself, an attack on USA as a nation.


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filthy
SFN Die Hard

USA
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Posted - 01/08/2011 :  14:55:23   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
At least they got the guy, alive and in one piece. That's become rare. One hopes he enjoys his new life, for as long as it lasts.

First shot in a civil war? Nah; he's just another nut case. But I wonder: does the scumbag have milita or Klan ties?

I look forward to the day when Palin finally learns to keep her stupid yap shut. The idiot is evolving from a humorous nuisance to rapidly becoming more trouble than she's worth.

Wishing Ms. Giffords and the other still living victims of this asshole a speedy and total recovery.




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"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres


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The Rat
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Canada
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Posted - 01/08/2011 :  15:33:06   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit The Rat's Homepage Send The Rat a Private Message  Reply with Quote
MSNBC has a link to what they say is one of his Youtube videos, but they say it's unconfirmed. It seems to be a rambling incoherent diatribe that doesn't make his political leanings clear, but he says on it that he will not trust in any god. So now we wait for the right wingers to blame atheistic evil for this incident.


Bailey's second law; There is no relationship between the three virtues of intelligence, education, and wisdom.

You fiend! Never have I encountered such corrupt and foul-minded perversity! Have you ever considered a career in the Church? - The Bishop of Bath and Wells, Blackadder II

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Edited by - The Rat on 01/08/2011 15:34:51
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The Rat
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Canada
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Posted - 01/08/2011 :  15:57:28   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit The Rat's Homepage Send The Rat a Private Message  Reply with Quote

If this is his Youtube channel, this kid has needed help for a while.


Bailey's second law; There is no relationship between the three virtues of intelligence, education, and wisdom.

You fiend! Never have I encountered such corrupt and foul-minded perversity! Have you ever considered a career in the Church? - The Bishop of Bath and Wells, Blackadder II

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filthy
SFN Die Hard

USA
14408 Posts

Posted - 01/08/2011 :  17:01:37   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by The Rat


If this is his Youtube channel, this kid has needed help for a while.


I've read about that. The guy's a complete screwball and probably very easy to tip over the edge.

On a better note, Ms. Giffords is out of surgery and the doctors are optomistic. I've known a couple of 'Nam vets who suffered sever head wounds and came away from it pretty well, so there's some hope.




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"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres


"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude

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podcat
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Posted - 01/08/2011 :  21:08:11   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send podcat a Private Message  Reply with Quote
My condolences to the families of the deceased, and wishes for recovered productivity for the victims.

Earlier tonight, Pima Sheriff Clarence Dupnik spoke on the case at a press conference:

http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/pima-sheriff-clarence-dupnik-calls-out-vitr

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HalfMooner
Dingaling

Philippines
15831 Posts

Posted - 01/09/2011 :  03:28:22   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message  Reply with Quote
My look at Jared Lee Loughner's reported diatribes on MySpace and YouTube leads me to think he's primarily motivated by schizophrenia, not politics.

Loughner mentions the Constitution and seems to conclude that the USA and the Constitution itself are "unconstitutional," but does so in such an incoherent and disjointed manner that mental illness is almost certainly at play. I didn't see any indication of teabagger ideas in any of what he said. I suspect he's just another really crazy man with a gun, and I think that's a reasonable default position to take, at least until any contradictory information comes to light.

Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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filthy
SFN Die Hard

USA
14408 Posts

Posted - 01/09/2011 :  05:27:36   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
It is now being said that Loughner may not have acted alone, and that is being investigated. This raises the question of: how hard is it to convince a dingbat to do your dirty work? Could it be that he was a cat's paw? I dunno.

I am also curious as to the pistol. They say that it has an extended magazine, so I'm assuming that it is a 9mm. Long clips are easily found for many of these as well as for the Colt 1911-A .45.

I have a much more serious question: How did this pathetic nudnik get his confused hands on a firearm in the first place? Did he purchase it legally or have someone else buy it for him, steal it, or what?

At last report, Ms. Giffords is in a medically induced coma and will be kept there for several days.




"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)

"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres


"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude

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The Rat
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Canada
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Posted - 01/09/2011 :  07:12:11   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit The Rat's Homepage Send The Rat a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by filthy



I have a much more serious question: How did this pathetic nudnik get his confused hands on a firearm in the first place? Did he purchase it legally or have someone else buy it for him, steal it, or what?



Is a gun store clerk capable of assessing the sanity of a purchaser? If they're looking wild-eyed and rambling about evil government plots and such, yeah, but many people on the verge of committing an act like this are outwardly normal. You can train a bartender to assess if a customer is inebriated and therefore should no longer be served, but that's comparatively easy.

Bailey's second law; There is no relationship between the three virtues of intelligence, education, and wisdom.

You fiend! Never have I encountered such corrupt and foul-minded perversity! Have you ever considered a career in the Church? - The Bishop of Bath and Wells, Blackadder II

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filthy
SFN Die Hard

USA
14408 Posts

Posted - 01/09/2011 :  08:50:56   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by The Rat

Originally posted by filthy



I have a much more serious question: How did this pathetic nudnik get his confused hands on a firearm in the first place? Did he purchase it legally or have someone else buy it for him, steal it, or what?



Is a gun store clerk capable of assessing the sanity of a purchaser? If they're looking wild-eyed and rambling about evil government plots and such, yeah, but many people on the verge of committing an act like this are outwardly normal. You can train a bartender to assess if a customer is inebriated and therefore should no longer be served, but that's comparatively easy.
I've just read that he bought the weapon legally from a dealer. I had thought, silly me, that the waiting period was supposed to weed out the drunks, skunks and dingbats. Evidently not.




"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)

"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres


"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude

Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,

and Crypto-Communist!

Edited by - filthy on 01/09/2011 08:51:48
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Dude
SFN Die Hard

USA
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Posted - 01/09/2011 :  11:07:08   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Dude a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Maybe he was taking his meds when he bought it.

The gun dealers I know locally would not sell to a guy like this if they even suspected he was that fucking crazy.

This guy's motivations aside, I think it speaks volumes that Palin removed the "target" map from her website the instant this shooting was reported. They have just admitted to knowing that they are over the line with their rhetoric.


Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
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Dave W.
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Posted - 01/09/2011 :  17:15:03   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The criminal complaint.

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