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the_ignored
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Posted - 02/16/2011 :  18:00:44  Show Profile Send the_ignored a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Now, I'm as pro-life as the next guy (whoever the hell he is, he's starting to piss me off, always standing beside me like that!) But Huh? This is apparently going on in South Dakota.


House Bill 1171

Section 1. That 22-16-34 be amended to read as follows:
22-16-34. Homicide is justifiable if committed by any person while resisting any attempt to murder such person, or to harm the unborn child of such person in a manner and to a degree likely to result in the death of the unborn child, or to commit any felony upon him or her, or upon or in any dwelling house in which such person is.
Section 2. That 22-16-35 be amended to read as follows:
22-16-35. Homicide is justifiable if committed by any person in the lawful defense of such person, or of his or her husband, wife, parent, child, master, mistress, or servant, or the unborn child of any such enumerated person, if there is reasonable ground to apprehend a design to commit a felony, or to do some great personal injury, and imminent danger of such design being accomplished.

>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
>
> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
>
> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.

What brought that on? this. Original posting here.

Another example of this guy's lunacy here.

Dr. Mabuse
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Sweden
9672 Posts

Posted - 02/16/2011 :  20:27:01   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Insane.

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filthy
SFN Die Hard

USA
14408 Posts

Posted - 02/17/2011 :  07:29:04   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
It is my understanding that this botched, legislative abortion is undergoing some modification, for good or ill -- pun meant seriously. Just have to wait & see.




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Dude
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Posted - 02/17/2011 :  08:44:30   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Dude a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Call me crazy, but I have recently started to think that what needs to happen here in the US is for the crazy assholes step up and act as crazy as they can.

This might be the only way to break the apathy of the average non voting citizen. The crazy will have to rise above the noise, scare enough people, and then it will be dealth with.

Just hope we can withstand the damage the crazy fuckers inflict before enough people wake up.


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Fripp
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USA
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Posted - 02/17/2011 :  10:05:50   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Fripp a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Dude

Call me crazy, but I have recently started to think that what needs to happen here in the US is for the crazy assholes step up and act as crazy as they can.

This might be the only way to break the apathy of the average non voting citizen. The crazy will have to rise above the noise, scare enough people, and then it will be dealth with.

Just hope we can withstand the damage the crazy fuckers inflict before enough people wake up.




I agree in principle, but I would've thought that 8 years under W and that absolute wreck he left this country in, would have enough to wake people up. But alas, witness a mere two years from him and clowns like Rand Paul get elected...

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Dude
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USA
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Posted - 02/17/2011 :  10:20:38   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Dude a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Fripp

Originally posted by Dude

Call me crazy, but I have recently started to think that what needs to happen here in the US is for the crazy assholes step up and act as crazy as they can.

This might be the only way to break the apathy of the average non voting citizen. The crazy will have to rise above the noise, scare enough people, and then it will be dealth with.

Just hope we can withstand the damage the crazy fuckers inflict before enough people wake up.




I agree in principle, but I would've thought that 8 years under W and that absolute wreck he left this country in, would have enough to wake people up. But alas, witness a mere two years from him and clowns like Rand Paul get elected...


Yeah. The reason for that is not to hard to understand though, democrats have no leadership willing to take a stand and they lack the ability to compete in the spin game. Even Obama, who can speak well when it comes to it, is seen (by many liberals) as weak, timid, and intimidated by the rightwing.


Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson

"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin

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alienist
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USA
210 Posts

Posted - 02/17/2011 :  19:27:49   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send alienist a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The bill was shelved. Barbara Boxer is asking people to sign a internet petition to block Republicans trying to prevent insurance from covering abortion. The reality is that abortion will be around no matter what happens. What Roe V Wade did was allow doctors to perform abortions and thus prevent unnecessary mortality and morbidity from botched abortions.

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On fire for Christ
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Saudi Arabia
1265 Posts

Posted - 02/18/2011 :  19:27:27   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send On fire for Christ a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The reality is that abortion will be around no matter what happens. What Roe V Wade did was allow doctors to perform abortions and thus prevent unnecessary mortality and morbidity from botched abortions.


Are "It would happen anyway" and "It would prevent botched abortions" good enough reasons on their own for it to be legal?

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the_ignored
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Posted - 02/18/2011 :  20:02:15   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send the_ignored a Private Message  Reply with Quote
So in cases of even rape, say, you'd still say: Tough shit? Carry it through anyway? Or how's about if the mother's health or life was in danger?


>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
>
> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
>
> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.

What brought that on? this. Original posting here.

Another example of this guy's lunacy here.
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Dave W.
Info Junkie

USA
26002 Posts

Posted - 02/18/2011 :  20:31:19   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by On fire for Christ

Are "It would happen anyway" and "It would prevent botched abortions" good enough reasons on their own for it to be legal?
You've got the American legal system backwards. The ideal is that proponents of making some behavior illegal provide compelling arguments in favor of criminalization. (This ideal is often corrupted or ignored by lawmakers who think that just because they have enough votes to pass a law, it means they should, but that's beside the point.)

It is a fact that everything not currently illegal is legal. If the behavior in question were putting pickles in your armpits, would you seriously ask if "it would happen anyway" were sufficient reason for it to be legal? Of course not. You'd struggle to come up with any reason to make it illegal, and that'd be reason enough to not make it so.

And so, what are some compelling arguments to criminalize abortion?

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