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Dave W.
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Posted - 05/20/2011 :  12:48:08   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Since this is already getting to be a somewhat confusing back-and-forth, and we haven't even gotten to the evidence yet, we will make this thread a "meta" thread open to discussion about the challenge. When changingmyself is ready to actually post the evidence, she can start a new thread for discussion of it.


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teched246
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Posted - 05/20/2011 :  12:50:50   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send teched246 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Oh and before we proceed further, I think we ought to clear up this issue of Life-Death-Rebirth deities. Rebirth and Resurrection are interchangeable as you can see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life-death-rebirth_deity

Jesus' name is on that list, as is Osiris', Baal , Melqart , Adonis , Eshmun, Tammuz, Asclepius,Dionysis, Orpheus, Mithras, Krishna Inanna etc...the list goes on. The scholars agree that rebirth and resurrection, in the religious context, are the same.

"For all things have been baptized in the well of eternity and are beyond good
and evil; and good and evil themselves are but intervening shadows and damp
depressions and drifting clouds.Verily, it is a blessing and not a blasphemy
when I teach: ‘Over all things stand the heaven Accident, the heaven
Innocence, the heaven Chance, the heaven Prankishness." -Nietzsche
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KingDavid8
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Posted - 05/20/2011 :  12:53:14   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit KingDavid8's Homepage Send KingDavid8 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by teched246

My evidence is her evidence as we are both collaborating on this. If you're confident enough in your stance to not respond to her, there ought to be no problems with my responses as well. The reason you want to make this soley between you and change, is because in the past I've highlighted the parallels in a manner to which you could only respond with fallacies. This could go alot smoother and quicker with two people providing the information, as it is quite a lot of information.


Then I'd recommend you giving her the evidence off the board and letting her post it herself. I did not agree to accept evidence coming directly from multiple people without responding to any of them.
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changingmyself
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Posted - 05/20/2011 :  12:53:50   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send changingmyself a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Reposted in another thread

"The gospels are not eyewitness accounts"

-Allen D. Callahan, Associate Professor of New Testament, Harvard Divinity School

Edited by - changingmyself on 05/23/2011 06:45:39
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KingDavid8
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Posted - 05/20/2011 :  12:56:14   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit KingDavid8's Homepage Send KingDavid8 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by teched246

Oh and before we proceed further, I think we ought to clear up this issue of Life-Death-Rebirth deities. Rebirth and Resurrection are interchangeable as you can see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life-death-rebirth_deity


Again, I disagree. Resurrection means restoring a dead body to life, not being reborn into a new body, which is more like reincarnation. But, again, I'll leave it to the SFN members to decide if they're one and the same.
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changingmyself
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Posted - 05/20/2011 :  13:06:33   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send changingmyself a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by KingDavid8

Originally posted by teched246

Oh and before we proceed further, I think we ought to clear up this issue of Life-Death-Rebirth deities. Rebirth and Resurrection are interchangeable as you can see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life-death-rebirth_deity


Again, I disagree. Resurrection means restoring a dead body to life, not being reborn into a new body, which is more like reincarnation. But, again, I'll leave it to the SFN members to decide if they're one and the same.


David, I kinda need Teched to help me post the information, I have pages and pages and pages of it. As he said, he just posts and he doesn't get to vote. If I do not get his help it will take me too long to post it and then the people wont get to look it over and vote. Maybe we need to extend the time by another week or just a full month?

I also started a new thread that I would like it JUST for the evidence.
Also, no special pleading on here!

"The gospels are not eyewitness accounts"

-Allen D. Callahan, Associate Professor of New Testament, Harvard Divinity School

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Hercules
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Posted - 05/20/2011 :  13:07:47   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Hercules a Private Message  Reply with Quote
King David's website has already been addressed here [url=http://www.freethoughtnation.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19462#p19462]Jesus, Horus and KingDavid8[/url]
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KingDavid8
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Posted - 05/20/2011 :  13:14:33   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit KingDavid8's Homepage Send KingDavid8 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by changingmyself

David, I kinda need Teched to help me post the information, I have pages and pages and pages of it. As he said, he just posts and he doesn't get to vote. If I do not get his help it will take me too long to post it and then the people wont get to look it over and vote. Maybe we need to extend the time by another week or just a full month?


Okay. I'll allow him to post the evidence without responding to him, either. But this only goes for you and Teched, no one else. Okay?
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Ebone4rock
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Posted - 05/20/2011 :  13:17:31   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Ebone4rock a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Dave W.

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Since this is already getting to be a somewhat confusing back-and-forth, and we haven't even gotten to the evidence yet, we will make this thread a "meta" thread open to discussion about the challenge. When changingmyself is ready to actually post the evidence, she can start a new thread for discussion of it.




Dave, you are so sexy when you are being all authoritative!

Haole with heart, thats all I'll ever be. I'm not a part of the North Shore society. Stuck on the shoulder, that's where you'll find me. Digging for scraps with the kooks in line. -Offspring
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Hercules
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Posted - 05/20/2011 :  13:25:32   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Hercules a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Here are a few really good articles on these issues as well.

Rebuttal to Dr. Chris Forbes concerning 'Zeitgeist, Part 1'
http://truthbeknown.com/chrisforbeszeitgeist.html

The Origins of Christianity
http://www.stellarhousepublishing.com/originsofchristianity.pdf

Astrotheology of the Ancients
http://stellarhousepublishing.com/astrotheology.html

What is a Mythicist?
http://www.stellarhousepublishing.com/mythicist.html

The Mythicist Position – video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKW9sbJ3v2w

Zeitgeist Part 1 & the Supportive Evidence
http://freethoughtnation.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=2997

The New Zeitgeist Part 1 Sourcebook (2010)
http://www.stellarhousepublishing.com/zeitgeistsourcebook.pdf

"I find it undeniable that many of the epic heroes and ancient patriarchs and matriarchs of the Old Testament were personified stars, planets, and constellations."
- Dr. Robert Price, Biblical Scholar
http://www.robertmprice.mindvendor.com/reviews/murdock_christ_egypt.htm

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Hercules
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Posted - 05/20/2011 :  13:26:45   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Hercules a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Why can't I edit my posts? The top one above should be deleted since I for got a couple important articles.
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Hercules
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Posted - 05/20/2011 :  13:31:11   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Hercules a Private Message  Reply with Quote
It must be pointed out that King David has absolutely no qualifications, formal training or credentials of ANY KIND on these issues. So, it should never be left up to him to determine what is or isn't credible evidence. King David is just another Christian out to shore up his faith at all costs by dismissing evidence or just denying it.
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KingDavid8
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Posted - 05/20/2011 :  13:48:34   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit KingDavid8's Homepage Send KingDavid8 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Hercules

King David's website has already been addressed here [url=http://www.freethoughtnation.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19462#p19462]Jesus, Horus and KingDavid8[/url]


And I responded to that article here:
http://www.kingdavid8.com/FreeThought.html

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KingDavid8
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Posted - 05/20/2011 :  13:50:05   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit KingDavid8's Homepage Send KingDavid8 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Hercules

It must be pointed out that King David has absolutely no qualifications, formal training or credentials of ANY KIND on these issues. So, it should never be left up to him to determine what is or isn't credible evidence. King David is just another Christian out to shore up his faith at all costs by dismissing evidence or just denying it.


Good thing we're leaving it up to the people at SFN then, huh?
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Dave W.
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Posted - 05/20/2011 :  13:56:50   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Hercules

Why can't I edit my posts?
Good question. What error did you see?

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