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Randy
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Posted - 11/18/2011 :  09:36:00  Show Profile Send Randy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
http://bigthink.com/ideas/41032

"We are all connected; to each other biologically, to the earth chemically, to the rest of the universe atomically."

"So you're made of detritus [from exploded stars]. Get over it. Or better yet, celebrate it. After all, what nobler thought can one cherish than that the universe lives within us all?"
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Kil
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Posted - 11/18/2011 :  10:24:02   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Randy

http://bigthink.com/ideas/41032
While Penn may be right about Obama, I think Obama should get big points for including atheists and freethinkers as part of what this nation is, and even attacked the idea that this is a Christian nation, or even the concept of this being a one religion nation:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXcvbnzNIjg

Then there is this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFsB1Jk1OQ0&feature=related

So even if he is the most religious, which I doubt, there can be no doubt that he is saying that religion as a basis for policy is not acceptable in a pluralistic nation.

So if he's lying about his belief, and I don't know how anyone would know that, he's still the first president that, he's still the first president that has openly stated that religion has no bearing on policy decisions. Nor should it.

Obama can be infuriating. But I give him high marks for "official" stand on religion.

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chefcrsh
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Posted - 11/18/2011 :  10:48:03   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send chefcrsh a Private Message  Reply with Quote
he's still the first president that has openly stated that religion has no bearing on policy decisions.


Kennedy did so.
Edited by - chefcrsh on 11/18/2011 10:48:42
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Kil
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Posted - 11/18/2011 :  10:51:30   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by chefcrsh

he's still the first president that has openly stated that religion has no bearing on policy decisions.


Kennedy did so.
Ahh.. Yes. Kennedy had to because he was Catholic. I'm not taking anything away from him, even if that was his motive. You are correct. But again, even he didn't include non believers in a major speech about policy making.

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Randy
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Posted - 11/18/2011 :  11:15:52   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Randy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I'm surprised about the claim of Clinton vocalizing more religiously than the other recent presidents. It seems to me though, that the Shrub carried a bigger bull-horn when it came to spewing religion in all directions.

"We are all connected; to each other biologically, to the earth chemically, to the rest of the universe atomically."

"So you're made of detritus [from exploded stars]. Get over it. Or better yet, celebrate it. After all, what nobler thought can one cherish than that the universe lives within us all?"
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 11/18/2011 :  14:38:52   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Well, as far as I could tell, his crazy-talk rated higher on the Insane-scale that did Clinton. So if you multiply his insane-statement-score number (and official church-going-number) with the times he did them, I still think Bush scored higher.

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chefcrsh
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Posted - 11/18/2011 :  22:19:25   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send chefcrsh a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I'd like to see the actual reference he notes. Some real data versus I heard it through the NPR grapevine.
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Dave W.
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Posted - 11/19/2011 :  09:34:24   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by chefcrsh

I'd like to see the actual reference he notes. Some real data versus I heard it through the NPR grapevine.
Seems impossible to track down with only what he said in this video.

But, there's this:
...Calvin Coolidge seems to have been the first president explicitly to mention Jesus in an official presidential utterance, in a very interesting speech delivered at the unveiling of an equestrian statue of Francis Asbury, our first Methodist bishop. Among Coolidge's successors, Bill Clinton most frequently invoked Jesus' name (43 times), followed closely by Ronald Reagan (39). If Jimmy Carter had served two terms, he would probably have set the bar even higher. Having officially mentioned Jesus eight times in the first eighteen months of his presidency, President Obama is keeping pace with his recent Democratic predecessors and is on track to double George W. Bush's relatively paltry count of 29.

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chefcrsh
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Posted - 11/19/2011 :  09:48:32   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send chefcrsh a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Dave W.

Originally posted by chefcrsh

I'd like to see the actual reference he notes. Some real data versus I heard it through the NPR grapevine.
Seems impossible to track down with only what he said in this video.

But, there's this:
...Calvin Coolidge seems to have been the first president explicitly to mention Jesus in an official presidential utterance, in a very interesting speech delivered at the unveiling of an equestrian statue of Francis Asbury, our first Methodist bishop. Among Coolidge's successors, Bill Clinton most frequently invoked Jesus' name (43 times), followed closely by Ronald Reagan (39). If Jimmy Carter had served two terms, he would probably have set the bar even higher. Having officially mentioned Jesus eight times in the first eighteen months of his presidency, President Obama is keeping pace with his recent Democratic predecessors and is on track to double George W. Bush's relatively paltry count of 29.



Thanks. Yeah I was a bit vexed that there was no reference, he ought to know better when making claims of fact.
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Dave W.
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Posted - 11/19/2011 :  10:10:18   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by chefcrsh

...he ought to know better when making claims of fact.
As sloppy as it was, it was just a Big Think piece, and not a poli-sci doctoral thesis.

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