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stop the clock
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Posted - 12/19/2011 :  22:15:59  Show Profile Send stop the clock a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I have not seen a lot of threads on this forum that have discussed the freeman on the land movement (unless I have not looked properly), so I just want to show what could be the strangets Freeman movement I have ever come across.

So there is this guy called Frank O'Collins who is a big advocate of the freeman movement and has his own radio show. Yet he also seems to have some sort of Christian apocalyptic sentiment. He claims that on the 21st of this month., Judgement day will come, and the first thing that will happen? To eliminate the corrupt courts!

Anyway the video in question concerns a woman he met that had a "vision". Apparently when the great day of awekening arrives, the dead start rising and we see the arrival of the almighty spirits, the first thing they will do is come and sort her court case out from the corruption! Seriously, its really weird, even for the freeman movement.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JfVuHNdOTs&feature=player_embedded

And this guy has his own website where he actually has written some covenant that is suppose to be all ancient and mystical -

http://one-heaven.org/home.asp
http://university.ucadia.info/page.php?9

I manage to find a thread from the Randi forum http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?s=33b461d768db05272e037a064aef4a1c&t=200370, where they can explain his ideas and wacko psuedolaw theories better then I could.

Despite this, the New Age Movement has been jumping upand down on this. Believing tomorrow to be the start of some great strange spiritual revivial where the unjust courts and the illuminati will we be clensed from this planet - like this whacko http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgJ9iAo1Ac4

Edited by - stop the clock on 12/20/2011 06:19:21

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Posted - 12/20/2011 :  09:25:21   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Valiant Dancer's Homepage Send Valiant Dancer a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by stop the clock

I have not seen a lot of threads on this forum that have discussed the freeman on the land movement (unless I have not looked properly), so I just want to show what could be the strangets Freeman movement I have ever come across.

So there is this guy called Frank O'Collins who is a big advocate of the freeman movement and has his own radio show. Yet he also seems to have some sort of Christian apocalyptic sentiment. He claims that on the 21st of this month., Judgement day will come, and the first thing that will happen? To eliminate the corrupt courts!

Anyway the video in question concerns a woman he met that had a "vision". Apparently when the great day of awekening arrives, the dead start rising and we see the arrival of the almighty spirits, the first thing they will do is come and sort her court case out from the corruption! Seriously, its really weird, even for the freeman movement.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JfVuHNdOTs&feature=player_embedded

And this guy has his own website where he actually has written some covenant that is suppose to be all ancient and mystical -

http://one-heaven.org/home.asp
http://university.ucadia.info/page.php?9

I manage to find a thread from the Randi forum http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?s=33b461d768db05272e037a064aef4a1c&t=200370, where they can explain his ideas and wacko psuedolaw theories better then I could.


Not heard of this one. Perhaps you could elaborate?


Despite this, the New Age Movement has been jumping upand down on this. Believing tomorrow to be the start of some great strange spiritual revivial where the unjust courts and the illuminati will we be clensed from this planet - like this whacko http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgJ9iAo1Ac4


Sounds more like Newage stuff than New Age stuff. And attributing something to all New Age Movements is like nailing jello to a tree.

Most of the New Age folks I have contact with (and there are quite a few of them) find the whole 12/21 time period not an ending, but instead a beginning. Specifically, the return of the sun. (Being the Winter Solstace and all.)

The New Age Movements which incorporate a religion focus on cycles and returns. There is no TEOTWAWKI ending that is supposed. They tend to look upon the end-times crap as just that, crap. Even the Mayans think the end of the Mayan calandar refers to a crisis and not the end of the world. (Although, there is that whole "you know, we've projected our calendar out 500 years and my arms are getting tired and I've run out of space on this rock" thing going on there.)

Ancient and Mystical(tm) covenants are about a dime a dozen. You don't even have to research too far back to present something alledged to be ancient or mystical that none of your potential followers (whom you can offer free Kool-Aide) will bother researching it if you say it with enough emotion.

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stop the clock
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Posted - 12/20/2011 :  19:33:38   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send stop the clock a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Valiant Dancer

Originally posted by stop the clock

I have not seen a lot of threads on this forum that have discussed the freeman on the land movement (unless I have not looked properly), so I just want to show what could be the strangets Freeman movement I have ever come across.

So there is this guy called Frank O'Collins who is a big advocate of the freeman movement and has his own radio show. Yet he also seems to have some sort of Christian apocalyptic sentiment. He claims that on the 21st of this month., Judgement day will come, and the first thing that will happen? To eliminate the corrupt courts!

Anyway the video in question concerns a woman he met that had a "vision". Apparently when the great day of awekening arrives, the dead start rising and we see the arrival of the almighty spirits, the first thing they will do is come and sort her court case out from the corruption! Seriously, its really weird, even for the freeman movement.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JfVuHNdOTs&feature=player_embedded

And this guy has his own website where he actually has written some covenant that is suppose to be all ancient and mystical -

http://one-heaven.org/home.asp
http://university.ucadia.info/page.php?9

I manage to find a thread from the Randi forum http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?s=33b461d768db05272e037a064aef4a1c&t=200370, where they can explain his ideas and wacko psuedolaw theories better then I could.


Not heard of this one. Perhaps you could elaborate?


Despite this, the New Age Movement has been jumping upand down on this. Believing tomorrow to be the start of some great strange spiritual revivial where the unjust courts and the illuminati will we be clensed from this planet - like this whacko http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgJ9iAo1Ac4


Sounds more like Newage stuff than New Age stuff. And attributing something to all New Age Movements is like nailing jello to a tree.

Most of the New Age folks I have contact with (and there are quite a few of them) find the whole 12/21 time period not an ending, but instead a beginning. Specifically, the return of the sun. (Being the Winter Solstace and all.)

The New Age Movements which incorporate a religion focus on cycles and returns. There is no TEOTWAWKI ending that is supposed. They tend to look upon the end-times crap as just that, crap. Even the Mayans think the end of the Mayan calandar refers to a crisis and not the end of the world. (Although, there is that whole "you know, we've projected our calendar out 500 years and my arms are getting tired and I've run out of space on this rock" thing going on there.)

Ancient and Mystical(tm) covenants are about a dime a dozen. You don't even have to research too far back to present something alledged to be ancient or mystical that none of your potential followers (whom you can offer free Kool-Aide) will bother researching it if you say it with enough emotion.


From what I understand about this Ucadia stuff is that itís basically O'Collins ideas of what freeman on the land should be. If you go to his websites you can find a whole book he has written called The Covenant. This basically is his delusional belief on what the law should really be. What is interesting about him is the way he uses sort of Christian evangelical methods to rationalize his ideas. Although what his exact beliefs are is confusing. I manage to find a transcript before one of is weekly radio shows, that shed a bit of light on his ideas:

Frank'O Collins is an author and futurist having developed over 60 web sites on global issues and solutions. 25 years ago, Frank started collecting and working on the ideas that eventually became UCADIA. Since then, Frank has completed a range of books, patents, and models covering a vast array of subjects. Frank's current focus is finishing the 22 books of Canon law, based on the "Restore the Law Project," aimed at challenging the root of Roman Vatican law, 500 years since Martin Luther first challenged the authority of the Vatican and its commercial allies. Frank will talk about UCADIA, the Roman cult, law, sovereignty, history of the Venetians, the Khazarians and other related global issues. Topics Discussed: the Roman law system, Egypt, naming, power, Ebla, Yahudi, Menashe, Etruscans, occupation, Latin, cursive, land, registers, Khazaria, King Tut, Justinian, Belarus, genetic anomaly, black plague, bubonic plague, city of Ur, Satanism, Lilith, magic, true soul vs. counterfeit soul, Amarites and more.


http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=224981 - It also gives a transcript preview that sheds more light on his thinking. I'm guessing as well as being a proponent of Psuedolaw he likes to dabble in Pseudohistory. But basically today is the suppose first day of the great awakening where the corrupt elite get whatís coming. Or something like that.

Going on to the New Age movement. I guess we all have a subjective view about what it is (considering thhe whole New Age movement is subjective in itself). In my view, and from growing up. That the New Age movement is simply a loose group of people that like to pick and mix anything that sounds spiritual or mystical. Like taking a whole lot of stuff from Eastern Religions, Shamanism, Occult, Native American traditions, UFology, Spiritual aspects from Abrahamic religions, crystals ect. Putting it all into a large caldron and producing a large mass of crap(in my opinion of course). Of course they are embracing what O'Collins is saying because they are more and more convinced that a great spiritual change is happening where everyone develops psychic powers and we all hold hands and sing in fields.

You have to remember that we are approaching 2012, the biggest year for the New Age movement yet. All of the angels and aliens who have been "channelled" by them are convinced that the upcoming year will see the evil cabal of unlovoing corparate masters be clensed from the Earth and we enter some sort of "higher level of living" or some shit like that. Going back to that YouTube New Age guy I posted - he made another video where he actually stated we will now all awaken and start developing ESP and somehow stop seeing things in Three Dimensions - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3z8jxtSIk&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL, Although I should also tell you that aside from O'Collins he is also talking about something that is making the New Age/Conspiracy world crazy, about some Dragon family (who apparently are are ancient E.T loving race of people who came down to the Earth centuries ago) who have lots of gold and are filing a lawsuit that will bring down this financial cabal. But that is a completely different topic on its own.

So in all honesty, does anybody think that anyone of the things that the New Age movement claim will happen in 2012 come to fruition? Because expect to hear a lot in the upcoming 12 months on how that suppose great change is coming. Any day now.
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Originally posted by stop the clock

So in all honesty, does anybody think that anyone of the things that the New Age movement claim will happen in 2012 come to fruition?
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Posted - 12/21/2011 :  07:14:02   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Valiant Dancer's Homepage Send Valiant Dancer a Private Message  Reply with Quote
STC,

The only whack-a-doodles I see saying anything like that are the extremists of the New Age Movement.

My own background is that of a practicing Wiccan of 22 years. I have met literally hundreds of Neopagans (Wiccans, Asatru, Heathenists, Family Traditionalist, Kitchen Witches, etc) and none of them have these views. They believe the world will keep turning after the winter solstace of 2012. That life will continue as normal. That spiritual enlightenment is a personal journey and not some cosmically fated bullshit. They also don't believe in fate and even the divination practices say that the readings age like fine milk. (6 months and we all make decisions that change the future.)

O'Collins sounds like a Christian or Sedevacantist.

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Posted - 12/21/2011 :  14:30:47   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send alienist a Private Message  Reply with Quote
So how much money is O'Collins making off of this?

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