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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
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 Posted - 07/27/2012 : 08:15:11 [Permalink]
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| As we continue to struggle, it's nice to reflect that we are now in the midst of one of history's greatest intellectual revolutions. And it's being led by the Millennial Generation -- those born around the turn of the century. I think it's amazing how fast things are changing. I wonder just where that bunch will take us. |
“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
Here's a link to Moonscape News, and one to its Archive. |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
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Posted - 07/27/2012 : 08:59:20 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by HalfMooner
As we continue to struggle, it's nice to reflect that we are now in the midst of one of history's greatest intellectual revolutions. And it's being led by the Millennial Generation -- those born around the turn of the century. I think it's amazing how fast things are changing. I wonder just where that bunch will take us.[quote]From the article:
On the other hand, the survey showed that those who do not believe in God still come in behind every other group polled for, including gays and lesbians (68 percent) and Muslims (58 percent). |
So atheists are still the least trusted people in America. I'm not trying to throw cold water on the results of the poll, because things are looking up. It's moving in the right direction.
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Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.
Why not question something for a change?
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
USA
4955 Posts |
Posted - 07/27/2012 : 09:21:11 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
Originally posted by HalfMooner
As we continue to struggle, it's nice to reflect that we are now in the midst of one of history's greatest intellectual revolutions. And it's being led by the Millennial Generation -- those born around the turn of the century. I think it's amazing how fast things are changing. I wonder just where that bunch will take us.[quote]From the article:
On the other hand, the survey showed that those who do not believe in God still come in behind every other group polled for, including gays and lesbians (68 percent) and Muslims (58 percent). |
So atheists are still the least trusted people in America. I'm not trying to throw cold water on the results of the poll, because things are looking up. It's moving in the right direction.
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Yeah, I saw that atheists are still behind basically everyone, and that people would still vote for a Muslim over an atheist-- which is startling, since among a great number of people in this country, Islam is almost akin to Satanism. But that over 50% would actually vote for an atheist is a huge improvement over what was thought in even the 1980's!
Question-- and I think I've read this but have forgotten-- is there ANY up front atheist in Congress? Also, do other countries have avowed atheists in high office (e.g. Prime Minister, etc.)? |
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
USA
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Posted - 07/27/2012 : 09:25:27 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Cuneiformist
Originally posted by Kil
Originally posted by HalfMooner
As we continue to struggle, it's nice to reflect that we are now in the midst of one of history's greatest intellectual revolutions. And it's being led by the Millennial Generation -- those born around the turn of the century. I think it's amazing how fast things are changing. I wonder just where that bunch will take us.[quote]From the article:
On the other hand, the survey showed that those who do not believe in God still come in behind every other group polled for, including gays and lesbians (68 percent) and Muslims (58 percent). |
So atheists are still the least trusted people in America. I'm not trying to throw cold water on the results of the poll, because things are looking up. It's moving in the right direction.
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Yeah, I saw that atheists are still behind basically everyone, and that people would still vote for a Muslim over an atheist-- which is startling, since among a great number of people in this country, Islam is almost akin to Satanism. But that over 50% would actually vote for an atheist is a huge improvement over what was thought in even the 1980's!
Question-- and I think I've read this but have forgotten-- is there ANY up front atheist in Congress? Also, do other countries have avowed atheists in high office (e.g. Prime Minister, etc.)? |
Answered my own question re atheist politicians in America. Still not sure about elsewhere, though.
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
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Posted - 07/27/2012 : 09:32:32 [Permalink]
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| I think it's safe to assume that atheists are all of the politicians in communist countries. That's if they are marxist communists anyhow. |
Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.
Why not question something for a change?
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
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Posted - 07/27/2012 : 10:02:29 [Permalink]
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| Yeah, freethinker Pete Stark was my Congresscritter when I lived in Union City, (Northern) California. Oddly enough, his atheism never made a big splash or was a controversial issue. As it should be. His office was great help to me when my Social Security retirement payments did not begin to arrive on time. |
“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
USA
4955 Posts |
Posted - 07/27/2012 : 13:05:37 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
I think it's safe to assume that atheists are all of the politicians in communist countries. That's if they are marxist communists anyhow.
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I was thinking advanced European countries... |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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Posted - 07/27/2012 : 15:16:57 [Permalink]
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I think the Swedish Prime Minister is atheist agnostic.
Australian PM Julia Gillard. |
Dr. Mabuse - "When the going gets tough, the tough get Duct-tape..."
Dr. Mabuse whisper.mp3
"Equivocation is not just a job, for a creationist it's a way of life..." Dr. Mabuse
Support American Troops in Iraq:
Send them unarmed civilians for target practice..
Collateralmurder. |
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Machi4velli
SFN Regular
USA
854 Posts |
Posted - 07/27/2012 : 21:56:31 [Permalink]
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| I like Flynn's take that approval rates are highly tied to the familiarity of the population with individual atheists, which is why I think it's worthwhile for us to self-identify publicly to try to bring up that familiarity. |
"Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people."
-Giordano Bruno
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, but the illusion of knowledge."
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
9687 Posts |
Posted - 07/28/2012 : 00:57:38 [Permalink]
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Germany's Angela Merkel seems to be Christian (but not evangelical, in the USA sense).
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Dr. Mabuse - "When the going gets tough, the tough get Duct-tape..."
Dr. Mabuse whisper.mp3
"Equivocation is not just a job, for a creationist it's a way of life..." Dr. Mabuse
Support American Troops in Iraq:
Send them unarmed civilians for target practice..
Collateralmurder. |
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The Rat
SFN Regular
Canada
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Posted - 07/28/2012 : 19:12:03 [Permalink]
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| I've always suspected that Obama is a closeted atheist. |
Bailey's second law; There is no relationship between the three virtues of intelligence, education, and wisdom.
You fiend! Never have I encountered such corrupt and foul-minded perversity! Have you ever considered a career in the Church? - The Bishop of Bath and Wells, Blackadder II
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
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Posted - 07/28/2012 : 20:01:40 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by The Rat
I've always suspected that Obama is a closeted atheist.
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Yeah. Me too. |
Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.
Why not question something for a change?
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
15831 Posts |
Posted - 07/28/2012 : 21:43:19 [Permalink]
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My guess is that there have probably been several closet atheist presidents. Wiki says:| Almost all of the presidents can be characterized as Christian, at least by formal membership. Some were Unitarian or unaffiliated with a specific religious body. Some are thought to have been deists, or irreligious. No president thus far has been an atheist, a Jew, a Buddhist, a Muslim, a Hindu, a Sikh or an adherent of any other specifically non-Christian religion. |
I'd tend to call an "irreligious" person an atheist.
Here's another article on this murky historical subject.
I have the same hunch about Obama as you people do, though I've no evidence. But for discussion's sake, I'll accept his self-identification as a Christian without prejudice. |
“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
Here's a link to Moonscape News, and one to its Archive. |
| Edited by - HalfMooner on 07/28/2012 21:58:44 |
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An atheist President?
