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Bill scott
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Posted - 12/17/2013 :  07:35:44  Show Profile Send Bill scott a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Redefining marriage for same sex couples will only be the beginning once we start down this slippery slope. Next up people will go to court in effort to marry multiple people, to marry animals, to marry physical objects etc... etc... and before we know it there will be a bowling team wanting to be recognized as a married entity.

If the homosexuals are given the opportunity to redefine marriage as they see fit why are not all of the other alternative lifestyles out there given the same opportunity? Obviously it would be discriminatory and close minded for the hetero and homosexuals to force their views and beliefs of marriage on the Big Al's Garage bowling team and their desire to be recognized as a married entity. After all history is littered with great long lasting societies where the family structure was anything goes.


While many wildly speculated that the legalization of same-sex marriage could lead to polygamy, they probably never thought it would be like this. Presented with a legal hypothetical, Attorney General Stenehjem answered three questions: whether someone in a same-sex marriage in another state can also receive a marriage license to someone of the opposite sex in North Dakota, whether they can file legal documents as "Single" when they possess a same-sex marriage license in another state, and whether this would open the individual up for prosecution under another state's bigamy laws.


http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/12/16/North-Dakota-Allows-Man-In-Same-Sex-Marriage-To-Also-Marry-Woman

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Posted - 12/17/2013 :  10:13:05   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send sailingsoul a Private Message  Reply with Quote
So what and this changes the earths orbit or affects your life how? Are you afraid God will bring tornadoes to North Dakota killing more innocent men, women and children to show his displeasure?

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Bill scott
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Posted - 12/17/2013 :  10:42:18   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Bill scott a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by sailingsoul



So what and this changes the earths orbit or affects your life how?


Yeah what am I thinking? I am sure if we allow gay men to have husbands and wives and give marriage privileges to bowling teams etc... etc... and etc... that this will have a zero% effect on society and it's current structure. Do you have any examples of thriving societies who have based their family and marriage structures on an anything goes parameter?



Are you afraid God will bring tornadoes to North Dakota killing more innocent men, women and children to show his displeasure?


No.

"Lets get one thing clear, Bill. Science does make some assumptions." -perrodetokio-

"In the end as skeptics we must realize that there is no real knowledge, there is only what is most reasonable to believe." -Coelacanth-

The fact that humans do science is what causes errors in science. -Dave W.-

Edited by - Bill scott on 12/17/2013 10:42:48
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moakley
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Posted - 12/17/2013 :  10:43:47   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send moakley a Private Message  Reply with Quote
From a hypothetical thought experiment to "I told you so"? I would expect that ND Reps to amend their marriage laws before this ever had a chance to occur.

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Bill scott
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Posted - 12/17/2013 :  10:54:54   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Bill scott a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by moakley

From a hypothetical thought experiment to "I told you so"? I would expect that ND Reps to amend their marriage laws before this ever had a chance to occur.


It's only just begun. First we have the homosexual couples who demand marriage status. Next we move to the bisexual polygamists who want marriage status etc... etc... and etc... Finally we have Big Al's Garage from the Friday night bowling league going up before the court demanding marriage status for their bowling team. And who are you to discriminate against Big Al's Garage if the definition marriage is simply in the eye of the beholder?

"Lets get one thing clear, Bill. Science does make some assumptions." -perrodetokio-

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The fact that humans do science is what causes errors in science. -Dave W.-

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Kil
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Posted - 12/17/2013 :  11:11:36   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Bill:
If the homosexuals are given the opportunity to redefine marriage as they see fit why are not all of the other alternative lifestyles out there given the same opportunity?

Homosexuality isn't technically an alternate lifestyle because isn't a choice. Gays are asking for THE SAME lifestyle that you enjoy, with all the rights and privileges that you enjoy.

Your "Big Al's Garage Bowling Team" is not an alternate lifestyle either, but it's certainly a choice as to whether to go bowling or not. One that straights and gays can enjoy equally.


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Why not question something for a change?

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Bill scott
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Posted - 12/17/2013 :  11:16:29   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Bill scott a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Do we not learn anything from the real world?


Kids who come from a single parent home less likely to graduate HS.

http://www.dailyprogress.com/news/children-of-single-parents-more-at-risk-uva-study-finds/article_9712daf1-1980-513c-ab68-3ba2624c9c35.html


Kids who come from same sex households are less likely to graduate HS.

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2013/10/study-graduation-rates-lag-among-children-from-same-sex-households.php#!


This is merely one small dynamic in the law of unintended consequences when basing legal marriage status on anything you want marriage to be. Just wait until Friday night bowling teams get legal marriage status.

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The fact that humans do science is what causes errors in science. -Dave W.-

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Bill scott
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Posted - 12/17/2013 :  11:28:50   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Bill scott a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Kil



Homosexuality isn't technically an alternate lifestyle because isn't a choice. Gays are asking for THE SAME lifestyle that you enjoy, with all the rights and privileges that you enjoy.


Nope. They seek to marry someone of the same sex. That's not what I enjoy nor was it the bedrock of our country's family structure for the past 200 years.

Your "Big Al's Garage Bowling Team" is not an alternative lifestyle either, but it's certainly a choice as to whether to go bowling or not. One that straights and gays can enjoy equally.


Not according to those on Big Al's team. They claim that they are born with a desire to share in a material relationship within the confines of a bowling team and choice had nothing to do with it. In short they claim they are born that way. So based on that why should we deny material status to Big Al's bowling team or the bisexual polygamists, Kil? They have every right to their own definition of marriage just as the homosexual couples do.

"Lets get one thing clear, Bill. Science does make some assumptions." -perrodetokio-

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The fact that humans do science is what causes errors in science. -Dave W.-

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Kil
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Posted - 12/17/2013 :  11:39:22   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Bill:
Kids who come from same sex households are less likely to graduate HS.

NOMís Douglas Allenís Latest Bogus Anti-Gay Article

No, children of same-sex parents do not have lower graduation rates.
The study states that ďchildren living with gay and lesbian families in 2006 were about 65% as likely to graduate compared to children living in opposite sex marriage familiesĒ. But a quick look at the data provided shows that this simply isnít the case. The author of the study, Douglas W. Allen, makes a rather strange and glaringly obvious flaw: he includes children who are still in high school awaiting graduation. Allen analyses the 2006 Canadian census and focuses on 17-22 year olds. However, many 17-18 year olds would still be in High School so Allen will be misreporting them as not graduating instead of awaiting graduation. Such a flaw isnít too problematic unless the average age of one group of parents is lower than the others, because if this is the case then the group with the lower average age will have a lower graduation rate because more of their children will still be awaiting graduation. So letís see what affect this flaw has upon the results:
Read on.

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Kil
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Posted - 12/17/2013 :  11:44:42   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Bill:
Nope. They seek to marry someone of the same sex. That's not what I enjoy nor was it the bedrock of our country's family structure for the past 200 years.

Using that standard, women should not be allowed to vote and slavery should still be legal. Just because something is old doesn't make it right. I would be hard pressed think up a more fallacious argument than the one you have presented above.

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pleco
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Posted - 12/17/2013 :  12:06:30   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit pleco's Homepage Send pleco a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Next up people will go to court in effort to marry multiple people, to marry animals, to marry physical objects etc... etc... and before we know it there will be a bowling team wanting to be recognized as a married entity.


Multiple people...as long as all are consenting adults who cares what people do, as long as they are not hurting each other? Get your Big Government out of people's lives.

As to the others, only an idiot would think that will happen.

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Bill scott
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Posted - 12/17/2013 :  12:08:13   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Bill scott a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Kil

Bill:
Nope. They seek to marry someone of the same sex. That's not what I enjoy nor was it the bedrock of our country's family structure for the past 200 years.

Using that standard, women should not be allowed to vote and slavery should still be legal. Just because something is old doesn't make it right. I would be hard pressed think up a more fallacious argument than the one you have presented above.



So than using your standard you should have no problem then with Big Al's bowling team and bisexual polygamists getting marriage privileges, right Kil?

"Lets get one thing clear, Bill. Science does make some assumptions." -perrodetokio-

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Kil
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Posted - 12/17/2013 :  12:22:58   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Bill:
So than using your standard you should have no problem then with Big Al's bowling team and bisexual polygamists getting marriage privileges, right Kil?

Description of Slippery Slope
The Slippery Slope is a fallacy in which a person asserts that some event must inevitably follow from another without any argument for the inevitability of the event in question. In most cases, there are a series of steps or gradations between one event and the one in question and no reason is given as to why the intervening steps or gradations will simply be bypassed. This "argument" has the following form:

Event X has occurred (or will or might occur).
Therefore event Y will inevitably happen.
This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because there is no reason to believe that one event must inevitably follow from another without an argument for such a claim. This is especially clear in cases in which there is a significant number of steps or gradations between one event and another.

Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.

Why not question something for a change?

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Bill scott
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Posted - 12/17/2013 :  12:38:31   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Bill scott a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by pleco



Multiple people...as long as all are consenting adults who cares what people do, as long as they are not hurting each other? Get your Big Government out of people's lives.


So you want to grant marriage status to polygamists of all genders and makeup? You need big government to give these groups the right to marry. I myself think it should be up to each state.



As to the others, only an idiot would think that will happen.


Well that is awfully close minded and discriminatory of you. 20 years ago you would have been labeled an idiot if you believed homosexual marriage for couples would be legal in some states. A few short years ago it would be considered idiotic to think we would have bisexual polygamist seeking marital status. It's only a matter of time before Big Al's bowling team want's the same status. And if all are consenting adults than what right do you have to call them idiots or to deny them marriage?

And why limit this to only consenting adults and not consenting children or consenting farm animals? Yes it is the current law but there were also laws against sodomy but those old archaic ideas were pushed to the wayside. I am sure there are many adults, children and farm animals who fully believe they should have the right to consent and who are you to push your morals and self-righteous judgment on them? Someday these archaic laws will be pushed to the wayside just like sodomy was whether you morally object to this or not. Keep your judgments to yourself thank you very much.

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The fact that humans do science is what causes errors in science. -Dave W.-

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Bill scott
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Posted - 12/17/2013 :  12:39:43   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Bill scott a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Kil

Bill:
So than using your standard you should have no problem then with Big Al's bowling team and bisexual polygamists getting marriage privileges, right Kil?

Description of Slippery Slope
The Slippery Slope is a fallacy in which a person asserts that some event must inevitably follow from another without any argument for the inevitability of the event in question. In most cases, there are a series of steps or gradations between one event and the one in question and no reason is given as to why the intervening steps or gradations will simply be bypassed. This "argument" has the following form:

Event X has occurred (or will or might occur).
Therefore event Y will inevitably happen.
This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because there is no reason to believe that one event must inevitably follow from another without an argument for such a claim. This is especially clear in cases in which there is a significant number of steps or gradations between one event and another.



The slippery slope is no fallacy. We first had the homosexual couples demanding marital status. Now we are reading about a bisexual polygamist who is seeking material status, just as I said would happen That's real life, kil.

So than using your standard you should have no problem with Big Al's bowling team and bisexual polygamists getting marriage privileges, right Kil? A simple yes or no will do.

"Lets get one thing clear, Bill. Science does make some assumptions." -perrodetokio-

"In the end as skeptics we must realize that there is no real knowledge, there is only what is most reasonable to believe." -Coelacanth-

The fact that humans do science is what causes errors in science. -Dave W.-

Edited by - Bill scott on 12/17/2013 12:48:25
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Bill scott
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Posted - 12/17/2013 :  13:20:33   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Bill scott a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Kil

Bill:
So than using your standard you should have no problem then with Big Al's bowling team and bisexual polygamists getting marriage privileges, right Kil?

Description of Slippery Slope
The Slippery Slope is a fallacy in which a person asserts that some event must inevitably follow from another without any argument for the inevitability of the event in question. In most cases, there are a series of steps or gradations between one event and the one in question and no reason is given as to why the intervening steps or gradations will simply be bypassed. This "argument" has the following form:

Event X has occurred (or will or might occur).
Therefore event Y will inevitably happen.
This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because there is no reason to believe that one event must inevitably follow from another without an argument for such a claim. This is especially clear in cases in which there is a significant number of steps or gradations between one event and another.



See folks here is the kicker. Based on kil's logic for allowing same sex marriage he would also have to grant marriage status to bisexual polygamist and bowling teams or he would be a hypocritical close minded polygaphope. But in his mind he knows how silly and destructive to society it would be to actually grant marriage status to these people. So that is what is known as being stuck between a rock and a hard place.

"Lets get one thing clear, Bill. Science does make some assumptions." -perrodetokio-

"In the end as skeptics we must realize that there is no real knowledge, there is only what is most reasonable to believe." -Coelacanth-

The fact that humans do science is what causes errors in science. -Dave W.-

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