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Valiant Dancer
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USA
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 Posted - 02/17/2014 : 06:39:49 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
Originally posted by On fire for Christ
For me it's not a surprise that the USA tortures and spies on people.
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For someone who thinks the end justify the means, it's no surprise to me that you're not surprised.
It's no surprise to me either, but for a very different reason. |
I am also not surprised. The spying on allies is expected but there are some lines you don't cross. And torture was one of those things that a bunch of nations got together and said they weren't going to do it anymore. Hard to take the higher moral ground when you are beating the crap out of people for fun (because using torture as an intelligence gathering effort sucks).
| Were people really so naive and comfortable in their suburban lives that they thought spying and torture suddenly stopped in the mid half of the 20th century after being in common practice for all recordable human history? |
Hell yes. USA are the good guys. Americans wouldn't do such things! |
America wants to show by example how to do things. Torture BY the US should have stopped in the mid half of the 20th century.
| The only thing Snowden did was bring some spying out in the open and therefore slightly embarass the USA. |
Which is a nobel cause in and of itself, in my opinion. (did you hear that, NSA? I wish your great country embarressment!) |
Might want to watch that, Mab. Never know when the Commanding Idiot might order a drone strike.
| I'm sure everyone who has the means will continue to spy on as many people as they can. |
I'm sure of that too, that's why I'm for restricting those means. |
I am also sure of this. It was the main reason for FISA and the court. I insist that the government jump through the hoops that is set up for itself. Or do we want another COINTELPRO? I sure as hell don't.
| And I'm not sure that it's a bad thing. |
I am. The East German STAZI shows us how bad things can get when data collection and its use get out of hand. NSA and CIA are just government bodies. Google and FaceBook knows a lot more about you than you know or care to admit, and are trading your information for profit. The problem with that is that Corporations aren't working on democratic principles. Those are plutocratic, which means that only those who have a shitload of money gets to dictate how your information is being used.
Mega Corporations are like dictatorship countries except they are borderless, and almost everywhere.
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Not sure that it is a bad thing? Giving up essential liberties for temporary safety? Saying that information that is private should remain so because everyone has something that they don't talk about. In some cases, if it were exposed and exaggerated that one's ability to find employment would be severely impacted. Is this the world you want, OFfC? |
Cthulhu/Asmodeus when you're tired of voting for the lesser of two evils
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