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hzcummi
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In the Bible, Psalm 53:1 says “The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good”. We last spoke of the willful blindness of the atheist, who refuses to acknowledge his Creator. They believe in the ridiculous concept of evolution, which has no explanation for the beginning of life, and how fruits, nuts, vegetables, vitamins, minerals, and herbs for our health were provided. As foolish as the atheist may be, there is a group that’s even more foolish: they are the Muslims.


Let’s start with the Moon, for it is what the Muslims worship. It is the largest relative satellite in the solar system. From when the renewed Moon (lower crescent) is sighted in Jerusalem, to the next sighting of the renewed Moon, is about 29.53+ days. During the months of October to March, the Moon is closer to the Earth, and has a shorter (smaller) orbit around the Earth. During April to October, the Moon is farther away from the Earth, and has a longer (larger) orbit around the Earth, and increases its velocity. It does this in order to remain in sync with the Earth’s distance from the Sun, maintaining its apparent equal size with the Sun, as viewed from Earth. The Atheist thinks that happened all by random chance.


Gentiles, in their foolish ignorance, invent several different things to worship. They imagine that there is a god of the river, a mountain god, a valley god, a fish god, a sea god, a sun god and a moon god. In the Arabian city of Mecca, there were about 350 different gods imagined by the people. One of which was the “moon god”, which came to be known as “Allah”.


False (brain-washing) belief systems often have a RED agenda. They Redefine the truth, they try to Exclude the truth from being discovered, and they Deny the truth which has been given. Islam was started by a man named Muhammad Bin-Abdullah, who was an epileptic marauder, born in April, 570 AD, in the Makkah Province in Saudi Arabia. Since Europeans seemed to loosely embrace “a god” that was worshiped by the Jews, Muhammad wanted to establish an Arabian god, to be worshiped worldwide. Of course, he established himself as “Allah’s messenger”.


At the time, Arabs worshipped some 360 pagan gods housed at a stone temple in Mecca, called the Kabah. According to archaeologists, the chief deity of the city of Mecca was the moon-god, called “al-ilah”, from which Muhammad obtained the name “Allah”. Starting in 609 AD, Muhammad claimed that the angel Gabriel (from the Bible) came to him, saying that God wanted him to be His new messenger, since all other existing religions had become corrupted.


Yehovah, spent 1600 years, revealing His word to over 40 different men, as recorded in the Bible. But Muhammad claims that “Allah” revealed his words in one man’s lifetime, and millions have been injudicious enough to believe that lie. Muhammad performed no miracles, but performed acts of evil. In the Quran, “Allah” never speaks to anyone, does not deliver those that believe in (it) him, and is actually an avenue for Satan to do his dirty work. The Quran has no national history, no examples of deliverance, and no messages of hope.


Just like the book of Mormon, the author of the Quran takes a few words from the Bible, and forms false and misleading doctrines, in order to establish a fake religion, claiming that the words were translated from (missing) gold plates that never existed. There are those that are foolish enough to believe that Lucifer is the brother of Yeshua (not knowing that Yeshua is Yehovah), yet there are those that are even more foolish to incite our Creator to anger, by performing blasphemy, insulting the Creator of our universe, and violating the first commandment given to Israel, in the worst sort of way. Exodus 20:3 says “Thou shall have no other gods in my face”. At least the atheist does not put another (fake) deity ahead of Yehovah (other than themselves).


But the Muslim not only is committing spiritual suicide, they are also saying that God is a liar, or that Yehovah does not exist. Read the following verses:


Exodus 34:14

For thou shalt worship no other god: for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:


Deuteronomy 4:39

Know therefore this day, and consider it in thine heart, that the Lord he is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: there is none else.


1 Kings 8:60

That all the people of the earth may know that the Lord is God, and that there is none else.


Isaiah 45:5

I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:


Isaiah 45:22

Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.


Isaiah 46:9

Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,



Mark 12:32

And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but He:


Anyone, even thinking that there is another god, other than Yehovah, is begging to be thrown into the Lake of Fire, forever, and ever, and ever, with Satan, who deceived them. I don’t have the vocabulary to properly express how stupid that is.


On the left ring finger of the current President of the United States, is a ring that has certain inscriptions on it. I have been told that it says “Allah is greater”. If that be the case, who is “Allah” supposed to be greater than? Greater than our Creator? Greater than Yehovah? Greater than the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob? There is only one God, and He now goes by the name of Yeshua, which is the short form of “Yehovah is our salvation”. You mean to tell me that the Muslim thinks that a fictitious “moon god”, invented by a delusional, epileptic, evil gangster, is greater than Yehovah? I pity their souls in the Day of Judgment, when all of (remaining) mankind that has ever lived on the Earth will be judged, probably during the fulfillment of Yom Kippur, in 3028 AD.


Any person, in the Western world, that knows of Yehovah, and yet would wear such a ring, and embrace such a foolish belief system, is brainwashed, and/or of a reprobate mind, and has no business holding public office in the United States. If you elect a reprobate to office, you will get reprobate results, such as same-sex marriage and economic decline. If you knowingly re-elect a reprobate to office, you suffer disaster from which you can never recover, then your eyes become opened afterwards, when it’s too late.


Such a reprobate does not believe in the Bible, and would swear falsely upon it. Such a reprobate would avow that they are “a Christian”, and that they believe in traditional marriage, and would uphold and defend the U.S. Constitution before taking office, yet “change their mind” and do the opposite after taking office. They would not believe in who God is, and would disrespect the Constitution and laws established which were developed using the commandments of God.


Such a reprobate would try to “redefine” history, promote an evil degenerate religion, restrict access to the truth and the worship of the true God. Such a reprobate would directly defy most all the principals that this country was built upon, by “fundamentally changing America”. What happens to the people when a person is driving the bus on the highway, who is blind, and under illegal influence? There is a crash, along with death and destruction. When the blind lead the blind, they both fall in the ditch.


For the sake of your own souls, I plead with all who have been indoctrinated into such a corrupt and evil belief system such as Islam, to at least have enough wisdom to diligently inquire whether there be any Deity other than Yehovah. Insist upon evidence and historical proof. For the existence of Yehovah, there is Mt. Sinai (in NW Saudi Arabia), the Ark of the Covenant, and the nation of Israel. What does any other (fake) deity have, other than the lying words of evil men?



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Originally posted by hzcummi

Let’s start with the Moon, for it is what the Muslims worship. It is the largest relative satellite in the solar system. From when the renewed Moon (lower crescent) is sighted in Jerusalem, to the next sighting of the renewed Moon, is about 29.53+ days. During the months of October to March, the Moon is closer to the Earth, and has a shorter (smaller) orbit around the Earth. During April to October, the Moon is farther away from the Earth, and has a longer (larger) orbit around the Earth, and increases its velocity. It does this in order to remain in sync with the Earth’s distance from the Sun, maintaining its apparent equal size with the Sun, as viewed from Earth. The Atheist thinks that happened all by random chance.
This atheist doesn't believe the Moon gets closer and farther from the Earth at all. In fact, the Moon is only moving away from the Earth, currently almost four centimeters per year.

Now, the orbit of the Moon isn't a perfect circle, and the distance from Earth varies by about 42,000 km, but those changes happen every single orbit. No matter how you count the months, the Moon is about 10% closer to Earth at perigee in June than it is at apogee in December, in direct contradiction to the paragraph above.
There are those that are foolish enough to believe that Lucifer is the brother of Yeshua (not knowing that Yeshua is Yehovah), yet there are those that are even more foolish...
There are those even more foolish still, who believe the Bible to be a history textbook.
Anyone, even thinking that there is another god, other than Yehovah, is begging to be thrown into the Lake of Fire, forever, and ever, and ever, with Satan, who deceived them.
An act of a "loving" god, I'm sure.
I don’t have the vocabulary to properly express how stupid that is.
Neither do I.
On the left ring finger of the current President of the United States, is a ring that has certain inscriptions on it. I have been told that it says “Allah is greater”.
Do you always believe what people tell you? If so, I will tell you this: the Bible is a book of myths.
Greater than the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob?
Allah allegedly is the god of Abraham. Islam isn't called an "Abrahamic religion" for nothing.
Insist upon evidence and historical proof.
Bwahahahahahaha!
For the existence of Yehovah, there is Mt. Sinai (in NW Saudi Arabia)...
Did you know Mount Sinai has a mosque on top of it?
...the Ark of the Covenant...
Oh? We have that? Where? Please don't tell me the Nazis stole it during World War II.
...and the nation of Israel.
Created by men in 1948.

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Posted - 04/04/2014 :  06:31:05   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Valiant Dancer's Homepage Send Valiant Dancer a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by hzcummi

In the Bible, Psalm 53:1 says “The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good”. We last spoke of the willful blindness of the atheist, who refuses to acknowledge his Creator. They believe in the ridiculous concept of evolution, which has no explanation for the beginning of life, and how fruits, nuts, vegetables, vitamins, minerals, and herbs for our health were provided. As foolish as the atheist may be, there is a group that’s even more foolish: they are the Muslims.


Not starting off well here. Instant Ad Hominem.



Let’s start with the Moon, for it is what the Muslims worship.


Nope. They worship Allah, not the moon. I actually studied Islam in college and didn't believe a bunch of crap someone with a grudge against the religion made up.

It is the largest relative satellite in the solar system. From when the renewed Moon (lower crescent) is sighted in Jerusalem, to the next sighting of the renewed Moon, is about 29.53+ days. During the months of October to March, the Moon is closer to the Earth, and has a shorter (smaller) orbit around the Earth. During April to October, the Moon is farther away from the Earth, and has a longer (larger) orbit around the Earth, and increases its velocity. It does this in order to remain in sync with the Earth’s distance from the Sun, maintaining its apparent equal size with the Sun, as viewed from Earth. The Atheist thinks that happened all by random chance.


See Dave's excellent explaination about distances of the moon. He has data and everything....

Since your premise is wrong, your conclusion is likewise flawed.


Gentiles, in their foolish ignorance, invent several different things to worship. They imagine that there is a god of the river, a mountain god, a valley god, a fish god, a sea god, a sun god and a moon god. In the Arabian city of Mecca, there were about 350 different gods imagined by the people. One of which was the “moon god”, which came to be known as “Allah”.


As Allah was actually the God of Abraham, I believe that you have an issue here.


False (brain-washing) belief systems often have a RED agenda. They Redefine the truth, they try to Exclude the truth from being discovered, and they Deny the truth which has been given. Islam was started by a man named Muhammad Bin-Abdullah, who was an epileptic marauder, born in April, 570 AD, in the Makkah Province in Saudi Arabia. Since Europeans seemed to loosely embrace “a god” that was worshiped by the Jews, Muhammad wanted to establish an Arabian god, to be worshiped worldwide. Of course, he established himself as “Allah’s messenger”.


Yes, Muhammad was a petty warlord who was successful in convincing others to follow him. Muhammad, like Christians and Jews of the time and currently, wanted their God to be primary and exclusive.

As for Allah's messenger.... Paul/King Saul has the same issues.


At the time, Arabs worshipped some 360 pagan gods housed at a stone temple in Mecca, called the Kabah. According to archaeologists, the chief deity of the city of Mecca was the moon-god, called “al-ilah”, from which Muhammad obtained the name “Allah”. Starting in 609 AD, Muhammad claimed that the angel Gabriel (from the Bible) came to him, saying that God wanted him to be His new messenger, since all other existing religions had become corrupted.


Source for your Kabah claim, please.

Also, Gabriel didn't tell him he wanted Muhammad to be the new messenger. He held a blanket over him and commanded him to recite until Muhammad wised up and asked him WHAT to recite.


Yehovah, spent 1600 years, revealing His word to over 40 different men, as recorded in the Bible. But Muhammad claims that “Allah” revealed his words in one man’s lifetime, and millions have been injudicious enough to believe that lie. Muhammad performed no miracles, but performed acts of evil. In the Quran, “Allah” never speaks to anyone, does not deliver those that believe in (it) him, and is actually an avenue for Satan to do his dirty work. The Quran has no national history, no examples of deliverance, and no messages of hope.


The Bible has been heavily edited and we only have the word of these guys who claimed to talk to God. You can't accept these at face value while pooh poohing Muhammad's claim and be logically consistent.


Just like the book of Mormon, the author of the Quran takes a few words from the Bible, and forms false and misleading doctrines, in order to establish a fake religion, claiming that the words were translated from (missing) gold plates that never existed. There are those that are foolish enough to believe that Lucifer is the brother of Yeshua (not knowing that Yeshua is Yehovah), yet there are those that are even more foolish to incite our Creator to anger, by performing blasphemy, insulting the Creator of our universe, and violating the first commandment given to Israel, in the worst sort of way. Exodus 20:3 says “Thou shall have no other gods in my face”. At least the atheist does not put another (fake) deity ahead of Yehovah (other than themselves).


Nope. Islam wrote it's own document. Since it is based on the religion of Abraham (Judaism), some of the passages and parables are similar.

Also, the atheist has no dieties. Seems wasteful to issue them one, don't you think. They also don't believe that they are Gods at all since they claim no supernatural powers.


But the Muslim not only is committing spiritual suicide, they are also saying that God is a liar, or that Yehovah does not exist. Read the following verses:


Exodus 34:14

For thou shalt worship no other god: for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:


Deuteronomy 4:39

Know therefore this day, and consider it in thine heart, that the Lord he is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: there is none else.


1 Kings 8:60

That all the people of the earth may know that the Lord is God, and that there is none else.


Isaiah 45:5

I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:


Isaiah 45:22

Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.


Isaiah 46:9

Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,



Mark 12:32

And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but He:


How are they saying that God is a liar when you have quoted no Muslims?


Anyone, even thinking that there is another god, other than Yehovah, is begging to be thrown into the Lake of Fire, forever, and ever, and ever, with Satan, who deceived them. I don’t have the vocabulary to properly express how stupid that is.


Oh, this must be that Christian charity I've heard so much about. Sounds like your God is a punk.


On the left ring finger of the current President of the United States, is a ring that has certain inscriptions on it. I have been told that it says “Allah is greater”. If that be the case, who is “Allah” supposed to be greater than? Greater than our Creator? Greater than Yehovah? Greater than the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob? There is only one God, and He now goes by the name of Yeshua, which is the short form of “Yehovah is our salvation”. You mean to tell me that the Muslim thinks that a fictitious “moon god”, invented by a delusional, epileptic, evil gangster, is greater than Yehovah? I pity their souls in the Day of Judgment, when all of (remaining) mankind that has ever lived on the Earth will be judged, probably during the fulfillment of Yom Kippur, in 3028 AD.


On the left finger of the current President is a wedding band. He is no Muslim. That particular lie has been debunked many times.

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Originally posted by Valiant Dancer


On the left finger of the current President is a wedding band. He is no Muslim. That particular lie has been debunked many times.


I am one of those who believes he's a closeted atheist. Just a hunch.


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Originally posted by hzcummi
Let’s start with the Moon, for it is what the Muslims worship.

Is that so? I didn't know that. Could you substantiate this claim with perhaps som chapters and verse from Islamic scriptures and connect the dots for me?



It is the largest relative satellite in the solar system.
This is trivially true to the point of being meaningless, since there existed no knowledge of any other moons at the time when the foundation of Islam was laid.


During the months of October to March, the Moon is closer to the Earth, and has a shorter (smaller) orbit around the Earth. During April to October, the Moon is farther away from the Earth, and has a longer (larger) orbit around the Earth, and increases its velocity. It does this in order to remain in sync with the Earth’s distance from the Sun, maintaining its apparent equal size with the Sun, as viewed from Earth.
Being an amateur astronomer, I'd love to examine your source for this.
You write "It does this in order to remain in sync with the Earth’s distance from the Sun, maintaining its apparent equal size with the Sun, as viewed from Earth."
You are writing as if this was some kind of conscious effort by the moon, and as if maintaning apparent equal size was important.
But the truth is that the moon does not keep equal apparent size to the sun. If it did, then all total solar eclipses would last exactly the same duration, but they don't. In fact, some times, the apparent diameter of the moon is less than the sun, creating a ring of sun around the moon. There's even a spcial name for it: Eclipse in the antumbra.


The Atheist thinks that happened all by random chance.

Which "Atheist"?


Gentiles, in their foolish ignorance, invent several different things to worship. They imagine that there is a god of the river, a mountain god, a valley god, a fish god, a sea god, a sun god and a moon god. In the Arabian city of Mecca, there were about 350 different gods imagined by the people. One of which was the “moon god”, which came to be known as “Allah”.
Islam is a monotheistic religion as far as I know. Maybe you're referring to a time before 600 CE?



False (brain-washing) belief systems often have a RED agenda. They Redefine the truth, they try to Exclude the truth from being discovered, and they Deny the truth which has been given.
Sounds just like Christianity to me. I fail to see the difference.


At the time, Arabs worshipped some 360 pagan gods housed at a stone temple in Mecca, called the Kabah. According to archaeologists, the chief deity of the city of Mecca was the moon-god, called “al-ilah”, from which Muhammad obtained the name “Allah”. Starting in 609 AD, Muhammad claimed that the angel Gabriel (from the Bible) came to him, saying that God wanted him to be His new messenger, since all other existing religions had become corrupted.
How is this any different than when Christinanity was introduced in Scandinavia, supplanting Nordic polytheistic mythology of Thor, Oden, Freja, Loke, Hel, Balder, and the rest of them.

You are conflating Arabs as a ethnical group with Muslims.


Muhammad performed no miracles, but performed acts of evil.
Zzzzzz...

The Quran has no national history, no examples of deliverance, and no messages of hope.
That would almost make it more believable than the Bible, the way you tell it. But you fail to provide a decent argument why that would disqualify the Quran and not the Bible as a "message of God".


Just like the book of Mormon, the author of the Quran takes a few words from the Bible, and forms false and misleading doctrines, in order to establish a fake religion, claiming that the words were translated from (missing) gold plates that never existed.
The same claim is laid against Christianity and the New Testament; The New Testament contains blatant rip-offs from Zoroastrianism, Mithraism, and Egyptian mythology.



On the left ring finger of the current President of the United States, is a ring that has certain inscriptions on it. I have been told that it says “Allah is greater”.
What is the source of this claim?



I pity their souls in the Day of Judgment, when all of (remaining) mankind that has ever lived on the Earth will be judged, probably during the fulfillment of Yom Kippur, in 3028 AD.
Oh, Great... another date for The End Of The World.
There's been so many already that never happen, do you have compelling evidence this date is the real one?


Any person, in the Western world, that knows of Yehovah... <snip> ...What does any other (fake) deity have, other than the lying words of evil men?
Ths rest of this reads like sour grapes because "you man" didn't win the election. Give me a good reason I should pay you any kind of attention?

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Originally posted by Dave W.

Hey, Herman, you've made the big-time! The Digital Cuttlefish has written a poem about you!


And Herman the drive by is off again.

He just posts and runs. Never bothering to stop by and actually discuss what he has posted.

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He responded to one person over here.

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Originally posted by Dave W.

He responded to one person over here.


Can you truely call that a response as he clearly has no grasp of orbital mechanics as he continues to argue that the orbit of the moon should still be different due to the speeding up and slowing down in different months.

He doesn't get that the moon speeds up and slows down within the month.

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Originally posted by Valiant Dancer

Originally posted by Dave W.

He responded to one person over here.


Can you truely call that a response as he clearly has no grasp of orbital mechanics as he continues to argue that the orbit of the moon should still be different due to the speeding up and slowing down in different months.

He doesn't get that the moon speeds up and slows down within the month.


And now Herman has really lost it.

He makes of bizarre claims (like Julian dates go above 366)adds in Shumacker Levy 9 coming in on a cetrain date and WHAMMO!!!!

On August 4th starts the Tribulation for 7 years and the end of the world.

Cool. My yearly vacation will be over on that day and I won't have to clean anything up on the 5th, then.

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