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Dave W.
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Originally posted by On fire for Christ
right, but what about if there is an afterlife. What would be the ethical implications of pulling someone out of it? |
I think it should be a moral imperative to pull people out of hell. |
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 07/14/2016 : 12:32:05 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Originally posted by On fire for Christ
right, but what about if there is an afterlife. What would be the ethical implications of pulling someone out of it? |
I think it should be a moral imperative to pull people out of hell.
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I agree.
However, a new question arises: how do we know that a dead person is in hell and not heaven?
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Dave W.
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Posted - 07/14/2016 : 17:08:43 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
However, a new question arises: how do we know that a dead person is in hell and not heaven? |
Every description of heaven I've ever heard would be a hell for me. |
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On fire for Christ
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Posted - 07/14/2016 : 19:36:57 [Permalink]
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| Maybe that means you're destined for hell either way. It's a shame because we are friends. |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 07/14/2016 : 22:12:16 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by On fire for Christ
Maybe that means you're destined for hell either way. |
Since, according to the Bible, I'm a reprobate, it's sure thing no matter what heaven is "really" like.| It's a shame because we are friends. |
God necessarily set me on this path the moment I was conceived. God's actions can never be shameful, can they? |
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On fire for Christ
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Posted - 07/15/2016 : 04:07:58 [Permalink]
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| no they can't |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 07/15/2016 : 19:50:30 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by On fire for Christ
no they can't |
Yup. Sucks to be me. Somehow, my eventual, inevitable, eternal torture isn't shameful, but is instead a good thing. |
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On fire for Christ
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Posted - 07/17/2016 : 00:49:44 [Permalink]
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| you may have a warped interpretation of "shame" because you're not immortal and perfect. |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 07/17/2016 : 11:03:16 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by On fire for Christ
you may have a warped interpretation of "shame" because you're not immortal and perfect. |
Yeah, "mysterious ways" and all that. It's a perfect non-answer. |
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ThorGoLucky
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Posted - 07/18/2016 : 14:09:39 [Permalink]
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Speculating on afterlives is moot, as modern neuroscience has disproved its existence, including disproving mind-body dualism.
Everything that makes you *you* (memory, emotions, decision making, etc.) is emergent from a process of chemistry and electricity. Like a candle flame going out, you will simply end. You're not important enough for an afterlife. Nobody is.
Interestingly the minimum percentage of brain activity required for consciousness is 42%.
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 07/20/2016 : 13:27:05 [Permalink]
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| So, THAT's where the number comes from... |
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sailingsoul
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Posted - 07/20/2016 : 16:31:10 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by ThorGoLucky
Speculating on afterlives is moot, as modern neuroscience has disproved its existence, ,,,,
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I do agree with you speculating on afterlives is moot but not because it's been disproved. I don't think that's the case. It's not science, neuro or any other branch, that bears the burden of disproving wild unsupported claims and assertions. It's those who make the claim that there is an afterlife that have the burden of proof, which has not been met. Did science disprove the existence of Thor? No you but the other Thor. I wouldn't say it did. Any foolish person can believe Thor still exists just like believers of other equally made up gods. While the creation of Thor originated to explain or provide an agent/cause for Thunder and lightening etc., what science did do was present evidence that thunder and lightening were explained by natural forces unknown previously and not by Thor. All Gods ever imagined or created by man have the same origin, they were all created to explain that which is unknown. Where did the universe come from? Where did the Earth and the life on it come from? God, God, God! Says who? People ignorant of the real causes they know nothing about and are to arragont to say "I don't know". Is there an afterlife or a god? I don't know but those that claim there is can only assert it, they can't demonstrate it's a justified belief. Not in any scientific way, which is their BIG problem. |
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On fire for Christ
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Posted - 08/08/2016 : 19:54:34 [Permalink]
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| There's nothing wrong with speculation. Speculation is just the beginning. |
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sailingsoul
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Posted - 08/09/2016 : 19:37:57 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by On fire for Christ
There's nothing wrong with speculation.
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Do you mean God hasn't decreed it a sin or to do so without supporting credible evidence is without peril? |
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ThorGoLucky
Snuggle Wolf
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Posted - 08/10/2016 : 09:29:57 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by On fire for Christ
There's nothing wrong with speculation. Speculation is just the beginning.
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Yes, if there is a possibility of an afterlife, but we now know as a fact that there is not, thanks to modern neuroscience. Everything that makes you *you* (emotions, behavior, decision making, memory, etc.) is a bio-chemical-electrical process. Like a candle flame going out, you will simply end. Imagining otherwise doesn't make it so.
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Can we bring people back from the dead?
