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Alexander1304
Skeptic Friend
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 Posted - 10/21/2015 : 06:27:14
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Recently I've read this article about quantum physics and the multiplicity of mind: split-brains,fragmented minds,dissociation,quantum consciousness :
http://journalofcosmology.com/QuantumConsciousness102.html
Here are few outlines:
Preface:
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Quantum physics and Einstein's theory of relativity make assumptions about the nature of the mind which is assumed to be a singularity. In the Copenhagen model of physics, the process of observing is believed to effect reality by the act of perception and knowing which creates abstractions and a collapse function thereby inducing discontinuity into the continuum of the quantum state. This gives rise to the uncertainty principle. Yet neither the mind or the brain is a singularity, but a multiplicity which include two dominant streams of consciousness and awareness associated with the left and right hemisphere, as demonstrated by patients whose brains have been split, and which are superimposed on yet other mental realms maintained by the brainstem, thalamus, limbic system, and the occipital, temporal, parietal, and frontal lobes. Like the quantum state, each of these minds may also become discontinuous from each other and each mental realm may perceive their own reality."
"Like the Copenhagen school, Von Neumann's formulation of quantum mechanics (1932, 1937), fails to recognize or understand the multiple nature of mind and reality."
What do You guys think?Does that mean that Copenhagen is disproved by that simple observation?Or it is speculation?
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
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Posted - 10/22/2015 : 11:56:59 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Alexander1304
What do You guys think? |
I think the author misunderstands what an "observation" is in the context of QM. It is any interaction between two (or more) particles. The "process of observing" is thus not separate from "reality," and has nothing to do with "perception and knowing" (since particles neither perceive nor know anything).| Does that mean that Copenhagen is disproved by that simple observation?Or it is speculation? |
It's an attempt to explain consciousness by throwing the term "quantum" around without grokking it, like Deepak Chopra. |
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ThorGoLucky
Snuggle Wolf
USA
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Posted - 10/22/2015 : 15:17:10 [Permalink]
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If simple observation causes wave functions to collapse, we would never be able to observer the interference pattern in double-slit experiments.
Mind-body duality has been thoroughly disproved, thanks to ongoing brain research. Consciousness is an emergence of brain activity. As candle flames are processes that eventually die from lack of fuel, lack of oxygen, or destruction, so do brains and their lights of consciousnesses die out.
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
26020 Posts |
Posted - 10/22/2015 : 17:26:07 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by ThorGoLucky
If simple observation causes wave functions to collapse, we would never be able to observer the interference pattern in double-slit experiments. |
The interference pattern is the result of photons interacting the screen (light areas) or themselves (dark areas). It's only "simple" observation that makes it work.
Now, if an intelligent observer were required, then we'd never see the interference patterns, because we'd never observe the photons (they're all aimed at the slits and screen, not our eyes). |
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ThorGoLucky
Snuggle Wolf
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Posted - 10/26/2015 : 19:38:38 [Permalink]
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Dave W, indeed. New Age folks including the What the Bleep movie show the observation at the slit(s) as a passive observer, simply standing there watching. If that's all it takes to cause the wave pattern to collapse then we'd never see any wave pattern in any of the experiments, but that's not the case so it's bunk. It's not observation, it's *interference*, as I try to explain to those folks.
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Quantum Physics and the Multiplicity Of Mind
