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Philo
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Posted - 01/19/2017 :  15:55:23  Show Profile Send Philo a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I have noticed that Michael Shermer is pretty disliked around here. Could anyone please elaborate on why?

Btw, I'm not a huge fan of him either, but I wouldn't say I dislike him. He is ok, but there are other big-name skeptics out there who are much sharper thinkers IMO.

He sometimes makes sloppy arguments, which leads to false conclusions. I recall him in a video being asked how many skeptics there are, and equated the number of skeptics with the number of atheists in the USA (which based on the number I suppose was really based on the number of religiously unaffiliated Americans, not necessarily atheists), and came to the conclusion that there are 60 million skeptics in the USA. Which is wrong because the world is full of atheists who are not skeptics. This is the kind of sloppy thinking that the head of a major skeptical organization really should not do.

On fire for Christ
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Posted - 01/19/2017 :  18:40:28   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send On fire for Christ a Private Message  Reply with Quote
like most atheists, he is a rapist.

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Dave W.
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Posted - 01/19/2017 :  21:08:26   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Shermer is a hardcore libertarian, which skeptics should avoid because libertarianism is based on false premises and has been demonstrated to not function in the real world. But he (and several other prominent skeptics, like Penn Jilette) sticks to it like dogma.

In general, he's not a terribly good skeptic when he's got a favored hypothesis. He doesn't respond to challenges with reasoned arguments, or by changing his mind. He rationalizes criticism away, instead.

He's also a shameless misogynist, which should also be rare among skeptics, but sadly isn't. And yes, he's been accused of plying women with alcohol and then raping them.

Hey, wait: you were involved in the last thread about him, ten months ago, Philo.

The bottom line then is still true today: he's not a very good "thought leader" for skeptics, and skeptics don't need him.

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On fire for Christ
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Posted - 01/20/2017 :  05:32:52   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send On fire for Christ a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Dave W.

And yes, he's been accused of plying women with alcohol and then raping them.



No, he DEFINTIELY raped people. PZ myers confirmed it. That's why Shermer is in Jail right now.... right?

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Dave W.
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Posted - 01/20/2017 :  05:54:18   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by On fire for Christ

No, he DEFINTIELY raped people. PZ myers confirmed it.
Did he? I'll need a citation on that.
That's why Shermer is in Jail right now.... right?
Perhaps on your planet, all rapists go to jail. That doesn't happen here on Earth.

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On fire for Christ
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Posted - 01/20/2017 :  09:53:46   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send On fire for Christ a Private Message  Reply with Quote
sure, pz meyers showed the email on his blog, she said he did it so he must have done it.

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Dave W.
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Posted - 01/20/2017 :  11:26:25   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by On fire for Christ

sure, pz meyers showed the email on his blog...
You must be using a different definition of the word "confirmed" than I (or PZ Myers) use.

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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 01/23/2017 :  10:15:19   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by On fire for Christ

like most atheists, he is a rapist.

Yup. And just like Catholic Priests, most Christians are paedophiles.

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On fire for Christ
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Posted - 02/06/2017 :  23:54:17   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send On fire for Christ a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse

Originally posted by On fire for Christ

like most atheists, he is a rapist.

Yup. And just like Catholic Priests, most Christians are paedophiles.



Most Christians? Doesn't follow. Most Catholics? Sure.

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ThorGoLucky
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Posted - 02/07/2017 :  00:35:48   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit ThorGoLucky's Homepage Send ThorGoLucky a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Catholics are a sect of Christianity. Catholic = Christian
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On fire for Christ
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Posted - 02/07/2017 :  01:22:05   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send On fire for Christ a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Mackenzie19
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Posted - 02/11/2017 :  02:17:08   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Mackenzie19's Homepage  Send Mackenzie19 an AOL message Send Mackenzie19 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Dave W.

Originally posted by On fire for Christ

No, he DEFINTIELY raped people. PZ myers confirmed it.
Did he? I'll https://maleextrareviews4men.com/ need a citation on that.
That's why Shermer is in Jail right now.... right?
Perhaps on your planet, all rapists go to jail. That doesn't happen here on Earth.


I agree with you Dave
Edited by - Mackenzie19 on 02/14/2017 00:39:55
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