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Dave W.
Info Junkie

USA
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Posted - 02/06/2018 :  11:20:39  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
MSNBC:
WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump on Monday called Democrats' stone-faced reaction to his State of the Union address last week "treasonous" and "un-American" during a visit to a manufacturing plant in Cincinnati.

Trump described Republicans as "going totally crazy wild" during his remarks last Tuesday, while expression-less Democrats remained seated for the majority of the speech. "They were like death," Trump lamented. "And un-American. Un-American."

But their reaction, he said, was also something much worse.

Vaguely noting that "someone" called the Democrats' reactions "'treasonous,'" Trump said he agreed. "I mean, yeah, I guess. Why not? ... Can we call that treason? Why not? I mean, they certainly didn’t seem to love our country very much."...
Here's why not: "treason" doesn't mean "doesn't seem to love the U.S.A." It doesn't even mean "is highly critical of the President."

Treason is the only crime defined in the Constitution. Article III, section 3:
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.
How big a deal is this? Only nine people have ever been convicted of treason against the U.S.A., and the last person to be convicted was Tomoya Kawakita in 1952, who allegedly abused American prisoners in Japan during World War II.

Failing to clap during a President's speech? That's nothing even remotely close to treason, which is why the White House's explanation utterly fails to convince:
...Hogan Gidley, a White House spokesperson, told NBC News Tuesday morning that Trump was being "tongue in cheek" when he accused the Democrats of “treason." The president, Gidley said, was simply trying to make the point that there are positive things going on that all Americans should celebrate regardless of their party.
No, the stammering "I mean, yeah, I guess. Why not?" pretty clearly showed that Trump has no idea what "treason" means. Even categorizing a failure to "celebrate regardless of their party" as "Un-American" is dangerous and unfunny.

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Kil
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USA
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Posted - 02/06/2018 :  13:21:09   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Trump is a fascist. From his perspective, even after swearing to uphold the constitution, being critical of him is treason. He sees himself as the state. All the people he has fired due to the investigation didn't take an oath to be loyal to the president but to uphold the constitution. Almost every one of them is a Republican and some of those who are under fire were Trump picks or appointments.

Attacks on the media too are right out of the fascist playbook. Scapegoating (other) is right out of the fascist playbook.


Personally, I think Trump is too stupid to know he's a fascist. But he is. It's the people who defend him that blows my mind because many of them know better, or should. They are way more dangerous to our democracy than Trump is because they will let it happen for the sake of some short term goal.

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ThorGoLucky
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USA
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Posted - 02/06/2018 :  16:48:33   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit ThorGoLucky's Homepage Send ThorGoLucky a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The Republican Party Is a Threat to the Constitutional Order

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/03/boycott-the-gop/550907/

So we arrive at a syllogism:

(1) The GOP has become the party of Trumpism.
(2) Trumpism is a threat to democratic values and the rule of law.
(3) The Republican Party is a threat to democratic values and the rule of law.
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Dave W.
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USA
25939 Posts

Posted - 02/06/2018 :  18:52:44   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Tweet from Senator Tammy Duckworth:
Thankfully, there are better quotes from better Republican Presidents. Here’s one from Theodore Roosevelt—a Republican who earned the applause he received—that Trump might want to consider


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Deeno
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USA
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Posted - 06/07/2018 :  07:20:40   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Deeno a Private Message  Reply with Quote
We should absolutely be critical of everyone and everything, including the President. Perhaps, especially the President. But lately, there have been groups and ideas coming from the left who cannot stand criticism and lash out with ad hominem attacks at the slightest opposition.
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend

Sweden
9657 Posts

Posted - 06/07/2018 :  12:33:47   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Deeno

But lately, there have been groups and ideas coming from the left who cannot stand criticism and lash out with ad hominem attacks at the slightest opposition.
Can you please be more speciffic? Which groups, and what kind of criticism?

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returned1
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Posted - 07/01/2018 :  08:19:51   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send returned1 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Don’t forget: He came down from on high to save us. His judgements and pronouncements are always just and righteous. Even when others may scoff at His unquestionable wisdom, we know that His ultimate plan will lead to what is best for us, even if it may appear otherwise. We know that we are right because evildoers oppose us and our Master. We know that they are evil because He tells us so,and those who accuse Him of wrongdoing or error are in league with evil. We must be faithful and obedient regardless of the circumstances, or of whatever trials we endure to test our faith. As He establishes His holy kingdom, His enemies will fall and all will bow to His splendid majesty.

Ahem! Am I the only one noticing the overlapping narratives?

"Man's most valuable trait is a judicious sense of what not to believe." --Euripides
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ThorGoLucky
Snuggle Wolf

USA
1436 Posts

Posted - 07/01/2018 :  10:01:09   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit ThorGoLucky's Homepage Send ThorGoLucky a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Trump is what a wise man looks like to a fool.
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carryon
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Posted - 07/01/2018 :  14:58:45   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send carryon a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Wouldn't that be - a fool is what a wise man looks like to Trump?
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