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ASR
Skeptic Friend
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 Posted - 10/14/2005 : 11:22:08 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by furshur
ASR said:
[quote]This just plain wrong. Your definition is just that - your definition. By redefining the words and setting up your arbitrary boundries you have creates a fantasy world.
Of course science can ask what is this object used for. Or what does this object do. Just because you define these questions as philosophy does not make it so - these are FUNDEMENTAL scientific questions.
Obviously Logic cannot ask what the pencil is used for, otherwise the logical brain would be able to identify what the pencil is used for. If it is preference, I can refer to science/philosophy as logic/creative and revise the formula as logic + creative = Emotion |
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furshur
SFN Regular
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Posted - 10/14/2005 : 11:30:26 [Permalink]
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Obviously Logic cannot ask what the pencil is used for
WTF???
If you cannot apply logic to anthing except yes or no questions, I believe this is a shortcoming on your part. Don't put that limitation on the rest of us.
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
USA
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Posted - 10/14/2005 : 12:12:01 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by furshur
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Obviously Logic cannot ask what the pencil is used for
WTF???
If you cannot apply logic to anthing except yes or no questions, I believe this is a shortcoming on your part. Don't put that limitation on the rest of us.
He's changing the meaning of Logic.
Perhaps if ASR could provide us with a translation lexicon of terms he has redefined in common terminology we could decipher what it is he is saying. |
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GeeMack
SFN Regular
USA
1093 Posts |
Posted - 10/14/2005 : 12:12:40 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by ASR...
Truth is now three colours, and does not fit into your limitations.
Science, philosophy, emotion, and evolution all have fairly clear meanings, and you, ASR, don't have a realistic handle on any of them. The way these things are understood by most people don't fit within the limitations you have arbitrarily chosen to apply to them, and to yourself. You sound like a man irreversibly locked in a fantasy and desperately trying to conform the world so it makes sense within the very narrow boundaries of your own delusion.
The world with all its natural laws, philosophy, science, evolution, and uncountable other criteria that you conveniently fail to recognize, will not become something different simply because you choose to change and rechange your definitions, your rules, your limitations, and your perceptions every time part of reality isn't working out the way you'd like.
You see, we skeptics generally aren't all that uncomfortable with ourselves, our place in the world, or our general understanding of life. We don't carry some distorted picture of reality in our minds and feel some need to change the laws of nature or the process of science in order to suit that picture. We study, observe, research, and think. We make an effort to understand how all the bits and pieces of reality fit together. We don't change definitions of those pieces in order to support some arbitrary preexisting beliefs. In fact we change our beliefs when we find there are better, more rational, more reasonable ways to assemble the pieces.
Most of all, we skeptics rarely run around actively trying to sway others to change their way of thinking, to believe in or agree with some delusion, as you "faithful" are so often inclined to do. We offer our advice, our enlightenment as it were, when someone like you, someone so obviously uncomfortable with your position in life, approaches us with questions. But we don't proselytize. Remember, you came knocking on our door.
Now I won't try to tell you what you should or shouldn't believe. I will tell you this, however, and it is something that might bring you much comfort if you take the time to understand: The world absolutely will not change in order to fit within your preconceived and very limited idea of how things should be. The world, including science, philosophy, emotion, and evolution, is the way it is, and will continue to be as it is, regardless of your vain attempts to arbitrarily change it by changing definitions to suit your whim. You can find much peace and comfort by recognizing this and by broadening your understanding of reality to accept and embrace this unalterable truth.
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
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Posted - 10/14/2005 : 20:22:07 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by GeeMack
You sound like a man irreversibly locked in a fantasy and desperately trying to conform the world so it makes sense within the very narrow boundaries of your own delusion.
You nailed it, GeeMack. You see, ASR wasn't kidding when he said he has schizophrenia.
This may seem patronizing, but I think it's important (especially since it's obviously frustrating people) that everyone realize that ASR doesn't think like most people. I mean, at a fundamental level, he thinks differently. This isn't a matter of someone having some facts wrong, and building incorrect-but-logical conclusions from invalid premises. Instead, ASR actually reasons in a wholly different - some would say 'alien' - manner.
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R.Wreck
SFN Regular
USA
1191 Posts |
Posted - 10/15/2005 : 09:59:08 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by ASR:
Alright, I concede, I cannot disprove evolution with this theory.
Thank you.
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Keep in mind all I wanted to do was save good people such as yourselves from a dire fate.
And that fate would be...what exactly?
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That said, I would like to continue the discussion as Science+Philosophy = Emotion.
Which is pointless. We might as well discuss Pizza + Obsequious = Sweepstakes. (Amazingly, Googling obsequious pizza returned over 48,000 hits!)
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Here's a good idea - have a POINT. It makes it SO much more interesting for the listener!
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The foundation of morality is to . . . give up pretending to believe that for which there is no evidence, and repeating unintelligible propositions about things beyond the possibliities of knowledge.
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 10/15/2005 : 13:39:28 [Permalink]
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It took me a while to get this.
He says he is mentally ill on his webpage. And his writing pretty clearly demonstrates an inability to rationally communicate.
I just hope he keeps taking his meds.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
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"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
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astropin
SFN Regular
USA
970 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2005 : 11:42:50 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by R.Wreck
(Amazingly, Googling obsequious pizza returned over 48,000 hits!)
Yes, but googling "obsequious pizza" returns zero. |
I would rather face a cold reality than delude myself with comforting fantasies.
You are free to believe what you want to believe and I am free to ridicule you for it.
Atheism:
The result of an unbiased and rational search for the truth.
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