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markie
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 Posted - 10/17/2005 : 08:20:34
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A skull originally found in a cave in Mexico 90 years ago or so and dated to about 900 years ago has some very peculiar properties, enough to have some people thinking it is the skull of a human-alien hybrid. Genetic analysis of mitochondrial DNA reveals that the mother was human. Nuclear DNA analysis remains to be done however. It appears like good labs won't 'take it on' because of possible stigma.
Perhaps the most remarkable feature of the skull is that the bone is thinner and about 40 percent the weight density of normal human bone, but yet is harder. Lots of other goodies on the site as well:
http://www.starchildproject.com/
Mark
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 10/17/2005 : 08:46:17 [Permalink]
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I dunno, markie. The site seems a little woo-woo to me. This, from the Sept. update gave me pause"
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What's happening is exactly what happened when I tried to get scientists to analyze the skull in the first place, and then again when we tried to find a lab to analyze its DNA. They don't want to get involved because of what it might do to their reputations if they become entangled with such a "disreputable" subject. Now, it's pointless to argue about the pros and cons of their position, but it IS their position and we have to work with that. What is even more difficult about the bone analysis situation is that senior scientists who have found out what we want from their field seem to be working behind the scenes to make sure nobody here in the U.S. will help us. So we are being forced offshore by nothing more than a few determined people playing serious hardball.
I'm confident we can find a way to go to Japan if we have to. We don't have the money, or anywhere near it, at the moment, but we will simply have to pull together and find a way. However, I don't intend to take that step unless I absolutely have to, so this is where one or more of you might be able to help. Maybe you know a friend or relative who works in a lab that does the kind of detailed bone analysis we're seeking. If you do, or think you do, please forward our requirements (listed above) and ask if they would consider doing these tests for us. (Not for free, of course; we are prepared to pay the going rate.) Tell them we're also looking for another dating test that's not Carbon-14 (we've already done that). If anyone is interested, please have them contact me at: lloydpye@cox.net or lloyd@lloydpye.com. They work equally well.
Next, let me offer you all a friendly warning. By posting the Starchild Fund bank account # on the Starchild Project website, I opened it up to attack by hackers. Sure enough, last month the account was dipped into for $200. When I got my monthly statement I noticed it because no one but me should be removing anything from the account. I called my bank, which gave me the phone numbers of those who accessed the account. They were billing agencies for porno websites. When I called those billing agencies, they immediately refunded the ill-gotten gains. When I asked them what they intended to do about it, they said they would deny future access to the account holder. When I asked what would keep that account holder from opening a new account, or from having, say, ten accounts with them, I was told that nothing could prevent it. I asked them why they didn't just report this to the police, and they said, quote, "We bill for porno, man! We're not going to the police!"
 
I mean, really, what site of serious inquiry would put that up?
I seem to recall hearing of this 'starchild' a while back, but didn't pay attention. So, until some serious investigation states otherwise, I'll go with the all-human guess.
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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 10/17/2005 : 09:59:03 [Permalink]
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*Taking Bets*
500 Million to one odds against alien-human hybrid. |
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astropin
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Posted - 10/17/2005 : 10:10:56 [Permalink]
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Ok Markie, one more time.
Keeping an open mind is a virtue, but not so open that your brains fall out --James Olberg
I believe this advice is central to being a skeptic, a piece of advice you have yet to grasp. |
I would rather face a cold reality than delude myself with comforting fantasies.
You are free to believe what you want to believe and I am free to ridicule you for it.
Atheism:
The result of an unbiased and rational search for the truth.
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H. Humbert
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Posted - 10/17/2005 : 10:31:43 [Permalink]
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This site was started by Lloyd Pyeto, a devotee of Zecharia Sitchin, a thoroughly discredited pseudohistorian.
The Skeptic's Dictionary had this to say about an article on Lloyd's skulls by Lynne Jensen in the New Orleans Times-Picayune:
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The skulls were allegedly found near Chihuahua, Mexico, about 70 years ago. According to Pye, the alien "star child" was fathered by one of Sitchin's Annunaki, alien beings who used to propogate here until they had to go home for a nuclear war. According to Jensen, Pye was an Army intelligence specialist who has written a couple of futuristic novels and a book on human origins titled Everything You Know Is Wrong.
Near the end of the article, Jensen quotes Tulane University physical anthropologist John Verano as saying that the skull appears to be that of a child whose head was “cradle boarded.” Some Indian cultures artificially reshaped the heads of their children by strapping the head to a board.
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pleco
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Posted - 10/17/2005 : 11:31:45 [Permalink]
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| The star-child explanation is obviously the most logical one, right? |
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markie
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 10/17/2005 : 12:18:09 [Permalink]
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Filthy, from what I can see, and as can be seen by the study done on the mitochondrial DNA, Llyod Pyeto clearly wants "serious inquiry" by qualified scientists done on the skull. Certainly his approach is causual and he's not pretending to be highly professional himself. He's just wanting to get some publicity so that serious investigation *by others* might go forward.
Astrophin, I find it odd that skeptics ridicule the lack of 'hard evidence' for things like UFOs, but when potential hard evidence is found it, too, is given the 'wink' treatment. If science is not open to possibilities of investigation when anomalies come knocking on the door, what is it open to?
HH, the skeptic site regarding Sitchin states he believed that "ancient myths are not myths but historical and scientific texts." That sounds like hyperbole to me. While it is true that Sitchin may have taken liberties with his translations, the fact remains that myth often does have some basis in fact, especially when the general idea of the myth is widespread. The idea that the 'gods' who 'came down' were beings from another planet is not so far fetched, really.
About the "cradle boarded" skulls of some indian cultures, yes some indian women would go back to work soon after having their babies and would strap their infants to hard boards so they wouldn't be flopping around while they were working. Pyeto addresses this very thing (in the video) and points out that this particular skull did not show signs of this, apparently.
Pleco, my own personal opinion is that it could well be a (very seen before) developmental human defect. But I also leave the door open to the alien hypothesis. If I had the qualification and resources to do a genetic analysis on the nuclear DNA I would. A skeptic who is quite comfy with the status quo wouldn't invest the effort I suppose, and therein lies the difference.
Mark
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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 10/17/2005 : 12:25:10 [Permalink]
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You falsely assume we dont look into this stuff, hell just on this page humbert did far more legwork than you did. Also you regularly accuse us (falsely) of not even giving this stuff a thought, when in fact its you who dismiss off hand every reasonable explination we give.
Every quack claims to be blackballed by the mainstream, its what they do. |
"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History
"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini |
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pleco
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Posted - 10/17/2005 : 12:39:27 [Permalink]
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| My point was : why jump to such a improbable theory? Try to work out the more plausible ones first. If you cannot find a satisfactory answer using the more likely solutions, then you can start looking at the non-"status-quo". THAT seems logical to me, I dunno. |
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H. Humbert
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Posted - 10/17/2005 : 13:10:21 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by markie
The idea that the 'gods' who 'came down' were beings from another planet is not so far fetched, really.
Uh, yes it is. That is the definition of "far-fetched."
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pleco
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Posted - 10/17/2005 : 13:23:39 [Permalink]
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When you tend to beleive stuff that sounds like it comes from the Weekly World News (www.weeklyworldnews.com), nothing is far-fetched.
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markie
Skeptic Friend
Canada
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Posted - 10/17/2005 : 13:29:43 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by H. Humbert
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Originally posted by markie
The idea that the 'gods' who 'came down' were beings from another planet is not so far fetched, really.
Uh, yes it is. That is the definition of "far-fetched."
Hmmm, well it is not far fetched that intelligent beings should evolve on other worlds. Is it that far fetched to believe that we ourselves, in say another 100,000 years of societal and scientific development, would not develop capabilities for interstellar travel?
Really it boils down to whether one 'believes' that we, in less than 500 years of doing science, have about exhausted any reasonable possibility of an expanded physics which would allow such.
Mark
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Hawks
SFN Regular
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Posted - 10/17/2005 : 13:44:17 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by markie
A skull originally found in a cave in Mexico 90 years ago or so and dated to about 900 years ago has some very peculiar properties, enough to have some people thinking it is the skull of a human-alien hybrid. Genetic analysis of mitochondrial DNA reveals that the mother was human. Nuclear DNA analysis remains to be done however. It appears like good labs won't 'take it on' because of possible stigma.
Perhaps the most remarkable feature of the skull is that the bone is thinner and about 40 percent the weight density of normal human bone, but yet is harder. Lots of other goodies on the site as well:
http://www.starchildproject.com/
Mark
What I find interseting about this is that you have yourself previously stated in other threads that you "believe" in evolution. If you do, then you should be able to give a rough estimate of the probability of humans being able to hybridize with aliens that never shared a common evolutionary past with us. We would be more likely to find centaurs living in Florida. |
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Siberia
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Posted - 10/17/2005 : 14:06:56 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Hawks
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Originally posted by markie
A skull originally found in a cave in Mexico 90 years ago or so and dated to about 900 years ago has some very peculiar properties, enough to have some people thinking it is the skull of a human-alien hybrid. Genetic analysis of mitochondrial DNA reveals that the mother was human. Nuclear DNA analysis remains to be done however. It appears like good labs won't 'take it on' because of possible stigma.
Perhaps the most remarkable feature of the skull is that the bone is thinner and about 40 percent the weight density of normal human bone, but yet is harder. Lots of other goodies on the site as well:
http://www.starchildproject.com/
Mark
What I find interseting about this is that you have yourself previously stated in other threads that you "believe" in evolution. If you do, then you should be able to give a rough estimate of the probability of humans being able to hybridize with aliens that never shared a common evolutionary past with us. We would be more likely to find centaurs living in Florida.
As likely, I'd say, as a sudden horse-human, or lion-human hybrid. |
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markie
Skeptic Friend
Canada
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Posted - 10/17/2005 : 14:16:37 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Hawks What I find interseting about this is that you have yourself previously stated in other threads that you "believe" in evolution. If you do, then you should be able to give a rough estimate of the probability of humans being able to hybridize with aliens that never shared a common evolutionary past with us. We would be more likely to find centaurs living in Florida.
Hehe, yes that is a good point. That is why I am pretty skeptical of this particular case of what some think is a 'grey' mating with a (earth) human, although I don't rule it out. They may have technology which somehow allows this. Maybe they want to expand their own genetic potentials and so are incorporating some of ours for all I know.
But in the bigger picture, although I believe that we evolved from the first cells, I also believe that the first cells were created and pre programmed to evolve over time. Imo other planets have been 'planted' with life which is radically different from ours, but there are others which have life which is very similar, to the point where such interplanetary breeding might be possible.
And so 'Adam' comes from off planet 35,000 years ago in a deliberate attempt to service our species and get our 'civilization' ball rolling.
Can the truth be stranger than fiction? ;)
Mark
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Hawks
SFN Regular
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Posted - 10/18/2005 : 13:39:42 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by markie
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Originally posted by Hawks What I find interseting about this is that you have yourself previously stated in other threads that you "believe" in evolution. If you do, then you should be able to give a rough estimate of the probability of humans being able to hybridize with aliens that never shared a common evolutionary past with us. We would be more likely to find centaurs living in Florida.
Hehe, yes that is a good point. That is why I am pretty skeptical of this particular case of what some think is a 'grey' mating with a (earth) human, although I don't rule it out. They may have technology which somehow allows this. Maybe they want to expand their own genetic potentials and so are incorporating some of ours for all I know.
But in the bigger picture, although I believe that we evolved from the first cells, I also believe that the first cells were created and pre programmed to evolve over time. Imo other planets have been 'planted' with life which is radically different from ours, but there are others which have life which is very similar, to the point where such interplanetary breeding might be possible.
And so 'Adam' comes from off planet 35,000 years ago in a deliberate attempt to service our species and get our 'civilization' ball rolling.
Can the truth be stranger than fiction? ;)
Mark
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