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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 03/22/2007 :  11:16:14  Show Profile Send BigPapaSmurf a Private Message
http://space.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn11432&feedId=online-news_rss20
Some great new data about the sun, though not a solid iron shell at its core.

More data to twist until it fits mike.

"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History

"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini

Dave W.
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Posted - 03/22/2007 :  13:59:00   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message
Mozina is still completely wrong about differential rotation, thinking that it would make a visible difference in just 21 hours:
Just as in the SOHO RD images, there are very distinct, long duration surface features that can be observed in the RD images which rotate uniformly from pole to equator and do not exhibit differential rotation patterns like the plasma in the solar atmosphere. The multi-hour longevity of these surface structures are quite unlike the structures in the photosphere that are created and destroyed in approximately 8 minute intervals. These persistent structures seen in running difference EUVI images last for hours and days, and rotate uniformly across the surface.
The only proper response to the above is "so what?" Even if one grants the truth of Mozina's model, there's no reason to think that the flare patterns in EUV light should look or behave anything like photospheric patterns in visible light. The argument is one big non-sequitor.

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Michael Mozina
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Posted - 03/26/2007 :  02:17:21   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Michael Mozina's Homepage Send Michael Mozina a Private Message
quote:
The only proper response to the above is "so what?" Even if one grants the truth of Mozina's model, there's no reason to think that the flare patterns in EUV light should look or behave anything like photospheric patterns in visible light. The argument is one big non-sequitor.


No, it simply notes the behavioral differences between plasmas and solids.

FYI, the Hinode images are already blowing away every NASA and LMSAL model on the table. Unless and until they recognize the role of electricity in these satellite images, there is no way any of it is going to make any sense to them.
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist

USA
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Posted - 03/26/2007 :  06:24:21   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Cuneiformist a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Michael Mozina

quote:
The only proper response to the above is "so what?" Even if one grants the truth of Mozina's model, there's no reason to think that the flare patterns in EUV light should look or behave anything like photospheric patterns in visible light. The argument is one big non-sequitor.


No, it simply notes the behavioral differences between plasmas and solids.

FYI, the Hinode images are already blowing away every NASA and LMSAL model on the table. Unless and until they recognize the role of electricity in these satellite images, there is no way any of it is going to make any sense to them.

Yeah, I read that most of the NASA scientists have quit, and here at Cornell they cancelled their intro to astronomy course mid-semester because these images have destroyed the traditional solar models. Iron all the way, baby.
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Dave W.
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Posted - 03/26/2007 :  06:53:42   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Michael Mozina

No, it simply notes the behavioral differences between plasmas and solids.
That simply assumes your conclusion, and does nothing to address the elapsed time problem.
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FYI, the Hinode images are already blowing away every NASA and LMSAL model on the table. Unless and until they recognize the role of electricity in these satellite images, there is no way any of it is going to make any sense to them.
Funny, you never understood the current models in the first place, and so you don't know what the models "recognize" or don't.

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Michael Mozina
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Posted - 03/26/2007 :  12:50:54   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Michael Mozina's Homepage Send Michael Mozina a Private Message
quote:
Funny, you never understood the current models in the first place, and so you don't know what the models "recognize" or don't.


The moment they "recognize" current flowing through the solar atmosphere when they see it in satellite images is the moment they'll be able to finally explain the cause of the extreme temperatures found inside of coronal loops. The fact these million degree loops remains a great "mystery" to them only demonstrates the ignorant and sorry state of current solar physics.
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Michael Mozina
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Posted - 03/26/2007 :  12:58:08   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Michael Mozina's Homepage Send Michael Mozina a Private Message
http://www.esa.int/esaSC/SEMNA6R08ZE_index_0.html
http://mfile.akamai.com/14448/wmv/esa.download.akamai.com/13452/wmv/RollInSIXXRayFlare.asx

How can you even look at such images and not recognize the roll of electrical current in solar atmospheric activity?
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GeeMack
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Posted - 03/26/2007 :  14:58:38   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send GeeMack a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Michael Mozina...

How can you even look at such images and not recognize the roll of electrical current in solar atmospheric activity?
Maybe because most of the rest of us, including every professional astrophysicist on Earth, don't live under the same delusion as you, Michael.
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Michael Mozina
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Posted - 03/26/2007 :  15:00:38   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Michael Mozina's Homepage Send Michael Mozina a Private Message
Ya, electricity and current flow is one big "delusion" alright.
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Michael Mozina
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Posted - 03/26/2007 :  15:02:08   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Michael Mozina's Homepage Send Michael Mozina a Private Message
What exactly do you believe is driving up the temperature of the the million degree coronal loops Geemack? Let's hear your delusions on the subject.
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GeeMack
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USA
1093 Posts

Posted - 03/26/2007 :  15:32:18   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send GeeMack a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Michael Mozina...

Ya, electricity and current flow is one big "delusion" alright.
No, but all the evidence you've provided so far indicates your crazy fantasy is.

It's been quite a few months now since you last came here to indulge yourself in babbling about your lunatic fantasy, Michael. Tell us, since you were so convinced that your delusion was real, how many professional astrophysicists have you convinced in all those months? Since you've been keeping a more or less open line of communication going (including perpetuating your same old lie, I noticed, about Kristian Birkeland suggesting the Sun has a solid surface), how many professional astrophysicists have found your rambling compelling enough to join you in your deluded quest?

Oh, and clearly you were unable to muster the math skills of a typical grade school kid last time you were here. You remember how every time anyone asked you to actually quantify anything you balked and tried the old baffle-'em-with-bullshit strategy? Bummer that you never could make that fly here, eh? It was always amusing, though, watching you squirm and drool on yourself, then do the sidestep shuffle whenever you backed yourself into that quantify-it corner. Have you by any chance taken a remedial arithmetic course in the meantime? Are you able to put your crazy conjecture in quantifiable, numerical, scientific terms, with ('bout to scare ya bad, Michael) mathematics, like, well, like every legitimate scientist on Earth would do?

And from some of your blog comments it seems you're still bouncing along without an actual solar model while dishonestly claiming you have a solar model. But maybe I missed something. Got one yet?
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What exactly do you believe is driving up the temperature of the the million degree coronal loops Geemack? Let's hear your delusions on the subject.
You never could get it through your thick skull before, after being reminded literally dozens of times, but I'm game to give it one more shot. Remember, you're the one who is trying to support a claim, Michael. It's your job to do the explaining. Don't tell me after all these months you still have that ridiculous notion that your delusion is somehow supported if other people won't explain the alternatives to your satisfaction.
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist

USA
4954 Posts

Posted - 03/26/2007 :  16:02:11   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Cuneiformist a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Michael Mozina

http://www.esa.int/esaSC/SEMNA6R08ZE_index_0.html
http://mfile.akamai.com/14448/wmv/esa.download.akamai.com/13452/wmv/RollInSIXXRayFlare.asx

How can you even look at such images and not recognize the roll of electrical current in solar atmospheric activity?

I looked at the images but "electrical current" didn't come to mind. Why, exactly, does that have to be the case?
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Michael Mozina
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1647 Posts

Posted - 03/26/2007 :  16:03:25   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Michael Mozina's Homepage Send Michael Mozina a Private Message
Same ol' ad hominem slinging Geemack. In other words you're absolutely clueless as to the cause?
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H. Humbert
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4574 Posts

Posted - 03/26/2007 :  16:06:05   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send H. Humbert a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by GeeMack
Don't tell me after all these months you still have that ridiculous notion that your delusion is somehow supported if other people won't explain the alternatives to your satisfaction.

Hmm, let's see.
quote:
Originally posted by Michael Mozina
In other words you're absolutely clueless as to the cause?

It would appear so, yes.


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Michael Mozina
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1647 Posts

Posted - 03/26/2007 :  16:10:24   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Michael Mozina's Homepage Send Michael Mozina a Private Message
FYI, this is a very good introduction into plasma cosmology and electric sun theory for anyone who's really interested.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4773590301316220374
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GeeMack
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USA
1093 Posts

Posted - 03/26/2007 :  17:03:36   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send GeeMack a Private Message
And this is a page which explains, (listen up, Michael, this'll kill ya) in scientific terms, from a scientific perspective, including relevant mathematical support, descriptions of related physics, and links to additional resources, that plasma cosmology and the electric Sun "theory" are bullshit.
Edited by - GeeMack on 03/26/2007 18:47:56
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