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JEROME DA GNOME
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When others are oppressed no one is truly free.
Do we live in a police state?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmhU2597PCM
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 07/03/2007 : 22:13:35 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Ricky
Don't you see the real conspiracy, Jerome? Bikers are starting to rise up and overthrow the oppressors: skateboarders. For too long they have had to have their parents pay tax dollars so that the skateboarders could have their private parks. Well no more!
And did you see, they even infiltrated the skateboarder ranks! Why else would a skateboarder help out a biker? And the police too! And not just the low level cops on the beat, but the ranking official. He released the biker! This thing might go all the way up to the White House.
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This is politics, not conspiracy.
Why do you think the police need to arrest children for riding bikes in the wrong place?
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Dave W.
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 07/04/2007 : 01:02:14 [Permalink]
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The point is not the restriction. The action taken by the government in response to the infraction of the restriction are in question.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 07/04/2007 : 07:29:51 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
The action taken by the government in response to the infraction of the restriction are in question. |
No, it's actually the reason behind the action that's in question, and addressed in part by the article I linked to. |
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Mycroft
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Posted - 07/04/2007 : 09:30:48 [Permalink]
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If not being allowed to ride a bike in a skatepark is, in your opinion, an example of "oppression", then there is something seriously wrong with your world-view. |
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Kil
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Posted - 07/04/2007 : 10:21:08 [Permalink]
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One way the system works is by protesting a law that you think is unfair or bad in some way. Most often you do that by breaking the law and testing it in court. Or, like these kids did, break the law in a more or less organized way to bring attention to the problem.
Civil disobedience is a tried and true method to change some things. Of course, doing that means you must be willing to accept the consequences for taking part in such an action.
What I see here is one method for bringing about change working. The cops were sworn to uphold the law, stupid as it was, and were just doing their job. I bet they hated every moment of it. And no one got gassed…
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 07/04/2007 : 11:26:36 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Mycroft
If not being allowed to ride a bike in a skatepark is, in your opinion, an example of "oppression", then there is something seriously wrong with your world-view.
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When the smallest infractions of law by children are met with police prepared with gas masks and helicopter surveillance, no citizen is free from the potential oppression of the State. When laws become innumerable all become lawbreakers, the selective enforcement of unknown laws is not freedom.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Kil
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Posted - 07/04/2007 : 11:49:32 [Permalink]
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Jerome:
When laws become innumerable all become lawbreakers, the selective enforcement of unknown laws is not freedom. |
That might be true, were this an example of that. But in the meantime:
When my aunt grows nuts, she will be my uncle…
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 07/04/2007 : 12:20:05 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
Jerome:
When laws become innumerable all become lawbreakers, the selective enforcement of unknown laws is not freedom. |
That might be true, were this an example of that. But in the meantime:
When my aunt grows nuts, she will be my uncle…
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http://blogs.chron.com/cityhall/archives/2007/06/well_that_licen.html
"But I hadn't before noticed the dealer bracket around the license plate -- until I realized other officers were ticketing thousands of local motorists for the same "obstruction" on their vehicles."
Police Chief Harold Hurtt said officers might still be issuing the $98 tickets until September.
They've done so at a rate of roughly 2,000 per month, according to a database of citations from Jan. 1 to June 1 obtained under the Texas Public Information Act.
"It's the law, and it's our job not to interpret but to follow," Hurtt said. "When that law takes effect in September, then we will abide by the changes."
"So, I asked, should the mayor get a ticket?
Hurtt joked:
"We have discretion, and we use discretion. In this case, we use discretion." |
Looks like your aunt in growing some balls.  |
What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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moakley
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Posted - 07/05/2007 : 05:18:43 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
When the smallest infractions of law by children are met with police prepared with gas masks and helicopter surveillance, no citizen is free from the potential oppression of the State. When laws become innumerable all become lawbreakers, the selective enforcement of unknown laws is not freedom.
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Kil nailed this one. And the Young fellow in the video offered a reasonable alternative. Separate times for use by boarders and bikers. Otherwise, boarders and bikers using the facility at the same time at different speeds, on different equipment, accidents will happen. Accidents with the potential to result in something much greater than a "Scar Story". Who owns that liability? Seems to me that the best the city can do is to just fill it in and plant grass. |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 07/05/2007 : 09:40:07 [Permalink]
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I have seen that. Amazing is it not.
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Police with gas masks for children riding bikes?
