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dv82matt
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 Posted - 07/11/2007 : 20:53:52 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Originally posted by dv82matt
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
We have cameras that can read a newspaper I am reading sitting on a park bench. |
From how far away?
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So your argument is that that we can focus far far away and very close but not in between. Ever seen the picture from a land based sports camera of the moon? |
What the hell are you talking about? No that is not my argument at all. If you are unable or unwilling to support your argument in detail then there is nothing worthwhile to discuss.
From how far away can a camera "read" a newspaper? Answer the question Jerome. |
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dv82matt
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Posted - 07/11/2007 : 21:02:24 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Here is a photo of mars taken by earth satellites |
 Mars is a planet Jerome, it's much larger than the lunar landers.
Seriously though, you need to familiarize yourself with the concept of resolution. |
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HalfMooner
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Posted - 07/11/2007 : 21:06:09 [Permalink]
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Jerome asked:| Are you telling me we can see from earth canals on Mars from 35 million miles away but we can not see the lunar lander from 1/4 of a million miles away. That is 140 times father that mars is than the moon. |
[My emphasis.]
Yes, we can see the Martian canals and even the gondolas on them, as well as the Martian cities, where your avatar, Marty the Martian, dwells.
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“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
Here's a link to Moonscape News, and one to its Archive. |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 07/11/2007 : 21:16:03 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Keep in mind with only telescopes man saw canals on mars. |
No, nobody ever saw any canals on Mars. |
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dv82matt
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Posted - 07/11/2007 : 21:25:53 [Permalink]
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| Jerome can you point out any features on the moon photographed from earth or near earth orbit that are 9 meters or less across? |
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HalfMooner
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Posted - 07/11/2007 : 21:47:58 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Keep in mind with only telescopes man saw canals on mars. |
No, nobody ever saw any canals on Mars.
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This depends on what you mean by "saw."
Prior to space exploration, some astronomers (such as Giovanni Schiaparelli and Percival Lowell) perceived and drew what they thought were canals on Mars. But even well before the first space probes to go there, those "canals' were largely discredited by astronomy, attributed to the way the human brain naturally connects dots to "see" things that are familiar.
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“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
Here's a link to Moonscape News, and one to its Archive. |
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furshur
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Posted - 07/12/2007 : 05:17:50 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
We have cameras that can read a newspaper I am reading sitting on a park bench. |
If by the above statement you are trying to say that spy satellites can resolve the words on a newspaper, let me assure you that you are wrong.
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If I knew then what I know now then I would know more now than I know. |
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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 07/12/2007 : 06:41:27 [Permalink]
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| Maybe if its like 190 Size Font D-DAY headline. |
"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History
"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini |
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 07/12/2007 : 07:17:36 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Stop guessing what I think. Try to answer the question.
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What now? Do you disagree people taking you for a ride with the same game you enjoy playing so much?
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
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Posted - 07/12/2007 : 07:22:50 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
Then, congratulate yourself for knowing something about astronomy before I knew it.
Do you understand the implications of the find?
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No congratulations needed. I was only pointing something out that many here seem interested in.
It implies that we have telescopes that can see very far into the distance and the past; yet can not see the moon landers on the moon.
Seriously, this means that more data is collected that seems to correlate with the idea of an expanding universe. |
That wasn't the implication I was thinking about, but at least it shows you can at least understand most of what you read. So your thickheadedness here at SFN is aparently just an act.
| By the way, do you know why no pictures have been taken of the lunar landers from any telescopes? |
Yes. |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 07/12/2007 : 13:27:01 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by furshur
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
We have cameras that can read a newspaper I am reading sitting on a park bench. |
If by the above statement you are trying to say that spy satellites can resolve the words on a newspaper, let me assure you that you are wrong.
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Quickbird can take pictures with a resolution of about 23 inches. I would presume the government has better technology than is available commercially.
I have a friend that is an officer in the pentagon and I assure you that a newspaper can be read from space.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 07/12/2007 : 13:28:19 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by dv82matt
From how far away can a camera "read" a newspaper? Answer the question Jerome.
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Earth orbit.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 07/12/2007 : 13:33:30 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Keep in mind with only telescopes man saw canals on mars. |
No, nobody ever saw any canals on Mars.
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The point is features could be seen from earth with primitive telescopes. Of course there are not "canals" on Mars.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 07/12/2007 : 13:37:42 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by dv82matt
Jerome can you point out any features on the moon photographed from earth or near earth orbit that are 9 meters or less across?
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I have not seen any photos with that resolution as not have been published.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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JEROME DA GNOME
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Posted - 07/12/2007 : 13:40:22 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Stop guessing what I think. Try to answer the question.
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What now? Do you disagree people taking you for a ride with the same game you enjoy playing so much?
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I follow the path made by what people say. In the instance you are referring my thoughts were assumed.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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