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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
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When faced with the possible threat that the Iraqis might be amassing terrible weapons that could be used to slay millions of citizens of Western Civilization, President Bush took the only action prudence demanded and the electorate allowed: he conquered Iraq with an army.
This dangerous and expensive act did destroy the Iraqi regime, but left an American army without any clear purpose in a hostile country and subject to attack. If the Army merely returns to its home, then the threat it ended would simply return.
The wisest course would have been for President Bush to use his nuclear weapons to slaughter Iraqis until they complied with his demands, or until they were all dead. Then there would be little risk or expense and no American army would be left exposed. But if he did this, his cowardly electorate would have instantly ended his term of office, if not his freedom or his life. |
[My emphasis.]
The above quotes are taken from an article at the Family Security Matters site. The Family Security Foundation, Inc, which runs the site, is a DC "think tank," headed by former CIA Director, James Woolsey, with Dick Cheney a former Board of Directors member. The article, by Philip Atkinson, has since mysteriously disappeared from the wingnut site. But there are archives of it.
Wonkette has the tale.
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“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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Edited by - HalfMooner on 08/21/2007 23:27:45
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
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Posted - 08/22/2007 : 05:37:26 [Permalink]
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| Actually, Mooner, it's worse. I heard about this on Stephanie Miller yesterday. That same article calls for Bush to make himself President for Life. Parody? Or are some people that delusional that they really want 20 or more years of that nitwit running the country? |
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
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Posted - 08/22/2007 : 05:51:02 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Cuneiformist
Actually, Mooner, it's worse. I heard about this on Stephanie Miller yesterday. That same article calls for Bush to make himself President for Life. Parody? Or are some people that delusional that they really want 20 or more years of that nitwit running the country?
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Yeah, I read that, too, but I didn't want to overdose people on too much Fascist NeoConism all at once. Now, with Bush apparently calling for a longer war than Vietnam, I worry that he may have already come close to following that advice, and may even yet do so.
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perrodetokio
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 08/22/2007 : 06:38:04 [Permalink]
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I know I say this a lot... but NOW I am really scared!
Doing what´s popular instead of what´s right?
ONLY I KNOW WHAT´S RIGHT! THE REST OF THE WORLD ONLY DOES WHAT´S POPULAR!
Give me a fucking break!
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The Rat
SFN Regular
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Posted - 08/24/2007 : 21:00:13 [Permalink]
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| The web site has pulled this article. I guess some people are just tooooooo far right. |
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You fiend! Never have I encountered such corrupt and foul-minded perversity! Have you ever considered a career in the Church? - The Bishop of Bath and Wells, Blackadder II
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Ghost_Skeptic
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Posted - 08/25/2007 : 00:10:17 [Permalink]
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| possible threat that the Iraqis might be amassing terrible weapons |
Think about that one - a possible might be threat justifies a nuclear genocide - perhaps this was a parody - someone seeing how loony an idea could published on that website.
I always knew you Americans were cowards - No wonder we kicked your ass in the War of 1812
Apparently rising up and overthrowing a dangerous insane despot is an act of cowardice.
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
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Posted - 08/25/2007 : 00:33:40 [Permalink]
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G_S said:| I always knew you Americans were cowards - No wonder we kicked your ass in the War of 1812 |
Now, that's not nice. For many good reasons, we are not normally taught in public school about our five failed invasions of Canada, nor how the Brits burned down Washington and even the White House during that war.
We instead like to concentrate upon a naval battle on Lake Champlain, where we stopped your final invasion. And of course, we really kicked your asses with the Treaty of Ghent, which essentially generously rewarded us for having survived at all.
Hah-ha! 
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marfknox
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 08/25/2007 : 07:46:31 [Permalink]
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| Mooner and Ghost - the sad thing is that most Americans would have no idea what either of you are talking about at all, uneducated punks as we are. |
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
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Posted - 08/25/2007 : 08:05:48 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by marfknox
Mooner and Ghost - the sad thing is that most Americans would have no idea what either of you are talking about at all, uneducated punks as we are.
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Well, I have to admit that "the Treaty of Ghent" didn't just come trippingly out of my memory. Nor did even the proper spelling of Lake Champlain. (I first spelled it "Lake Champaign," but had a hunch something was not quite right with that.) Wiki saves the day, once again.
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chaloobi
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Posted - 08/28/2007 : 10:26:34 [Permalink]
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I wonder what would happen if the US did something like that. If the Bush Administration decided to take 'preventative' action against Iran and used neutron bombs to kill most Iranians, what would happen? Ignore the liklihood of impeachment and genocide trials at home, and think about the world's reaction. Would one of the other nuclear powers retaliate? Would the world diplomatically and politically isolate the US? Would the world demand trials for crimes against humanity?
I know more than a few people who casually claim they would solve all the problems in the Middle-East and Central Asia with nuclear weapons. The stark moral baggage aside, whenever they say such things, I wonder what the true real-politik implications of such an act would be. Clearly Iran would cease to be any kind of threat, but I'm thinking the US would be a lot less safe due to the 'blow back' such action would bring about. There could result world wide economic collapse, a coup or a civil war in the US, open war between nuclear powers, etc. |
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BigPapaSmurf
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 08/28/2007 : 10:39:22 [Permalink]
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
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Posted - 08/28/2007 : 17:45:18 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by chaloobi
I wonder what would happen if the US did something like that. If the Bush Administration decided to take 'preventative' action against Iran and used neutron bombs to kill most Iranians, what would happen? Ignore the liklihood of impeachment and genocide trials at home, and think about the world's reaction. Would one of the other nuclear powers retaliate? Would the world diplomatically and politically isolate the US? Would the world demand trials for crimes against humanity?
I know more than a few people who casually claim they would solve all the problems in the Middle-East and Central Asia with nuclear weapons. The stark moral baggage aside, whenever they say such things, I wonder what the true real-politik implications of such an act would be. Clearly Iran would cease to be any kind of threat, but I'm thinking the US would be a lot less safe due to the 'blow back' such action would bring about. There could result world wide economic collapse, a coup or a civil war in the US, open war between nuclear powers, etc.
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Very important considerations. I doubt another nuclear power would nuke the US, but the international isolation and condemnation might be nearly universal.
Your list is pretty good, I think. Massive losses of diplomatic recognition, loss of almost all remaining allies, an oil embargo perhaps more effective than that of the 1973, national and global economic collapse. Great political upheaval in the US, including riots.
Hope we don't go there, for Iran's sake and our own.
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Siberia
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Posted - 08/29/2007 : 09:50:25 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by HalfMooner
Originally posted by chaloobi
I wonder what would happen if the US did something like that. If the Bush Administration decided to take 'preventative' action against Iran and used neutron bombs to kill most Iranians, what would happen? Ignore the liklihood of impeachment and genocide trials at home, and think about the world's reaction. Would one of the other nuclear powers retaliate? Would the world diplomatically and politically isolate the US? Would the world demand trials for crimes against humanity?
I know more than a few people who casually claim they would solve all the problems in the Middle-East and Central Asia with nuclear weapons. The stark moral baggage aside, whenever they say such things, I wonder what the true real-politik implications of such an act would be. Clearly Iran would cease to be any kind of threat, but I'm thinking the US would be a lot less safe due to the 'blow back' such action would bring about. There could result world wide economic collapse, a coup or a civil war in the US, open war between nuclear powers, etc.
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Very important considerations. I doubt another nuclear power would nuke the US, but the international isolation and condemnation might be nearly universal.
Your list is pretty good, I think. Massive losses of diplomatic recognition, loss of almost all remaining allies, an oil embargo perhaps more effective than that of the 1973, national and global economic collapse. Great political upheaval in the US, including riots.
Hope we don't go there, for Iran's sake and our own.
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Except, at least I would fear the next would be my country. And we know that in matters of war, the US wins, period. I wouldn't be surprised if they simply fell on their knees and kept their mouths shut for fear of being bombed shitless. |
"Why are you afraid of something you're not even sure exists?"
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
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Posted - 08/29/2007 : 18:15:25 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Siberia
Originally posted by HalfMooner
Originally posted by chaloobi
I wonder what would happen if the US did something like that. If the Bush Administration decided to take 'preventative' action against Iran and used neutron bombs to kill most Iranians, what would happen? Ignore the liklihood of impeachment and genocide trials at home, and think about the world's reaction. Would one of the other nuclear powers retaliate? Would the world diplomatically and politically isolate the US? Would the world demand trials for crimes against humanity?
I know more than a few people who casually claim they would solve all the problems in the Middle-East and Central Asia with nuclear weapons. The stark moral baggage aside, whenever they say such things, I wonder what the true real-politik implications of such an act would be. Clearly Iran would cease to be any kind of threat, but I'm thinking the US would be a lot less safe due to the 'blow back' such action would bring about. There could result world wide economic collapse, a coup or a civil war in the US, open war between nuclear powers, etc.
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Very important considerations. I doubt another nuclear power would nuke the US, but the international isolation and condemnation might be nearly universal.
Your list is pretty good, I think. Massive losses of diplomatic recognition, loss of almost all remaining allies, an oil embargo perhaps more effective than that of the 1973, national and global economic collapse. Great political upheaval in the US, including riots.
Hope we don't go there, for Iran's sake and our own.
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Except, at least I would fear the next would be my country. And we know that in matters of war, the US wins, period. I wouldn't be surprised if they simply fell on their knees and kept their mouths shut for fear of being bombed shitless.
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I suspect it would be more likely that Bush would ally with Brazil against Venezuela.
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“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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Siberia
SFN Addict
Brazil
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Posted - 08/30/2007 : 09:40:32 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by HalfMooner
Originally posted by Siberia
Originally posted by HalfMooner
Originally posted by chaloobi
I wonder what would happen if the US did something like that. If the Bush Administration decided to take 'preventative' action against Iran and used neutron bombs to kill most Iranians, what would happen? Ignore the liklihood of impeachment and genocide trials at home, and think about the world's reaction. Would one of the other nuclear powers retaliate? Would the world diplomatically and politically isolate the US? Would the world demand trials for crimes against humanity?
I know more than a few people who casually claim they would solve all the problems in the Middle-East and Central Asia with nuclear weapons. The stark moral baggage aside, whenever they say such things, I wonder what the true real-politik implications of such an act would be. Clearly Iran would cease to be any kind of threat, but I'm thinking the US would be a lot less safe due to the 'blow back' such action would bring about. There could result world wide economic collapse, a coup or a civil war in the US, open war between nuclear powers, etc.
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Very important considerations. I doubt another nuclear power would nuke the US, but the international isolation and condemnation might be nearly universal.
Your list is pretty good, I think. Massive losses of diplomatic recognition, loss of almost all remaining allies, an oil embargo perhaps more effective than that of the 1973, national and global economic collapse. Great political upheaval in the US, including riots.
Hope we don't go there, for Iran's sake and our own.
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Except, at least I would fear the next would be my country. And we know that in matters of war, the US wins, period. I wouldn't be surprised if they simply fell on their knees and kept their mouths shut for fear of being bombed shitless.
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I suspect it would be more likely that Bush would ally with Brazil against Venezuela.
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Mm, under the current regime, no, don't think so. Or rather, the U.S. wouldn't. We were against the Iraq war, we have little to no war power... nah, if he wanted, he'd do it alone. And squish us while at it. |
"Why are you afraid of something you're not even sure exists?"
- The Kovenant, Via Negativa
"People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs."
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chaloobi
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Posted - 08/30/2007 : 10:22:12 [Permalink]
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| I wonder how many Americans would support an Iranian genocide. Interesting to note that the IAEA says Iran's nuclear program is anemic at best. That and the fact that they haven't done anything 'illegal' per the non-proliferation treaty, one wonders why the Bush Administration has been whipping up fear of Iran for the last 6 years... If anything, we should have been engaging them all this time rather than declaring them evil and so on. It amazes me how stupid the Bush Administration foreign policy has been. |
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