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Valiant Dancer
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 Posted - 09/24/2007 : 17:38:40 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Curious that the leader of the opposition party would declare the winner?
Sun Sep 23 2007 18:18:16 ET
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This could be called predictive programing.
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Who cares about what that sleazy .... has to say.
He's running off at the mouth. Does he have any sort of relevance in the Democratic party? No? Then why is anything he has to say about Democrats matter? |
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Posted - 09/24/2007 : 17:59:16 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
Who cares about what that sleazy .... has to say.
He's running off at the mouth. Does he have any sort of relevance in the Democratic party? No? Then why is anything he has to say about Democrats matter?
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The point is:
This creates a positive thought in the minds of the vast majority, which we all know pay little attention. This positive thought (this will happen) is an example of predictive programing.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Kil
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Posted - 09/24/2007 : 18:42:25 [Permalink]
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Jerome:
This positive thought (this will happen) is an example of predictive programing. |
I can't find a single source for "predictive programing" that isn't some new age mumbo jumbo or some Illuminati mumbo jumbo...
Perhaps, Jerome, you can find a source for how the term is used in psychology, with citations? |
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Posted - 09/24/2007 : 18:48:01 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
Jerome:
This positive thought (this will happen) is an example of predictive programing. |
I can't find a single source for "predictive programing" that isn't some new age mumbo jumbo or some Illuminati mumbo jumbo...
Perhaps, Jerome, you can find a source for how the term is used in psychology, with citations?
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I can up with it somewhere, not sure exactly. The words are correct for the meaning I intend.
Nice term, don't you think?
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Kil
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Posted - 09/24/2007 : 19:23:18 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Originally posted by Kil
Jerome:
This positive thought (this will happen) is an example of predictive programing. |
I can't find a single source for "predictive programing" that isn't some new age mumbo jumbo or some Illuminati mumbo jumbo...
Perhaps, Jerome, you can find a source for how the term is used in psychology, with citations?
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I can up with it somewhere, not sure exactly. The words are correct for the meaning I intend.
Nice term, don't you think?
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Nice term if you are a fan of science fiction. We live in the real world, Jerome. |
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 Posted - 09/24/2007 : 19:27:43 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
Nice term if you are a fan of science fiction. We live in the real world, Jerome.
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I know that you know: People can and are easily manipulated by the use of suggestion.
Do you deny that this practice is used on the proletariat as a whole?
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 09/24/2007 : 19:30:14 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
Who cares about what that sleazy .... has to say.
He's running off at the mouth. Does he have any sort of relevance in the Democratic party? No? Then why is anything he has to say about Democrats matter?
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The point is:
This creates a positive thought in the minds of the vast majority, which we all know pay little attention. This positive thought (this will happen) is an example of predictive programing.
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I see. It is based on conjecture and fantasy.
No, this will not plant a positive thought in the minds of the majority. When the presentation sucks or comes from a disreputable source, it is discarded by the brain.
Predictive programming is a crock. Unless you have evidence to the contrary. |
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Posted - 09/24/2007 : 19:31:42 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
I see. It is based on conjecture and fantasy.
No, this will not plant a positive thought in the minds of the majority. When the presentation sucks or comes from a disreputable source, it is discarded by the brain.
Predictive programming is a crock. Unless you have evidence to the contrary.
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You argument denies that advertising works.
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 09/24/2007 : 19:34:35 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
I see. It is based on conjecture and fantasy.
No, this will not plant a positive thought in the minds of the majority. When the presentation sucks or comes from a disreputable source, it is discarded by the brain.
Predictive programming is a crock. Unless you have evidence to the contrary.
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You argument denies that advertising works.
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BUZZZZZZZ!!!!!! Tacky buzzer. Go to your room and eat a booger.
Nice strawman.
Point posited was that advertizing from a source which evokes distrust and animosity is ineffective. Not that advertizing does not work.
Thanks for playing, though.
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Posted - 09/24/2007 : 19:41:57 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
BUZZZZZZZ!!!!!! Tacky buzzer. Go to your room and eat a booger.
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I like the booger comment. Very funny.
Point posited was that advertizing from a source which evokes distrust and animosity is ineffective. Not that advertizing does not work.
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He is advertising to his base. He is undermining his own base with these comments.
Think about it from the stand point of a GOP voter:
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Kil
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Posted - 09/24/2007 : 19:44:26 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by JEROME DA GNOME
Originally posted by Kil
Nice term if you are a fan of science fiction. We live in the real world, Jerome.
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I know that you know: People can and are easily manipulated by the use of suggestion.
Do you deny that this practice is used on the proletariat as a whole?
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Do I deny that we can be manipulated? No. Any magician knows that we can be manipulated. And yes, our leaders do try to manipulated us with varying degrees of success.
Do I think that "predictive programing" is used by those who seek to manipulate us? Very doubtful. And unless you can get me a source for the term that demonstrates that it is recognized by psychologists as a way to manipulate us, I will remain very doubtful.
I think the term comes from those who dwell in a fantasy world
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Posted - 09/24/2007 : 19:56:41 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
Do I deny that we can be manipulated? No. Any magician knows that we can be manipulated. And yes, our leaders do try to manipulated us with varying degrees of success.
Do I think that "predictive programing" is used by those who seek to manipulate us? Very doubtful. And unless you can get me a source for the term that demonstrates that it is recognized by psychologists as a way to manipulate us, I will remain very doubtful.
I think the term comes from those who dwell in a fantasy world
ruled by six foot alien lizards....
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You seem to be hung up on the term I have either invented or read somewhere.
In the same manner that the magician tries to manipulate the individual, power structures attempt to manipulate large groups.
This is politics!
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Kil
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Posted - 09/24/2007 : 20:25:58 [Permalink]
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Jerome:
You seem to be hung up on the term I have either invented or read somewhere. |
You used a term that is not found outside of some very fringe groups, to show what Bush was doing.
The term itself is clearly pseudo-scientific and meaningless unless we accept its premise, which comes from highly questionable sources.
And this is a skeptics site. It surprises you that I would question the term?
Hmmmm…
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Posted - 09/24/2007 : 20:33:35 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
Jerome:
You seem to be hung up on the term I have either invented or read somewhere. |
You used a term that is not found outside of some very fringe groups, to show what Bush was doing.
The term itself is clearly pseudo-scientific and meaningless unless we accept its premise, which comes from highly questionable sources.
And this is a skeptics site. It surprises you that I would question the term?
Hmmmm…
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How about advertising? This is equal without the force of the meaning of two words in combination.
Here is the first link I found with the phrase "predictive programing".
| Given that most managers will need to function effectively in an international context, the cases draw from challenges faced by experienced managers in such varied settings as China, France, India, Italy, Japan, the Netherlands, Trinidad, Vietnam, and others, in addition to the United States and Canada. These cases continue to illustrate basic concepts while expanding students' understanding of economic, political, and cultural concerns that must be interwoven into such key areas as process design, quality, and supply chain management. |
It is a book on management!
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What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way. - Bertrand Russell |
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Kil
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Posted - 09/24/2007 : 20:44:42 [Permalink]
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| What? Find me the words "predictive programming" in there somewhere, will you? Also, find me in the above quote anything that has to do with how you used the term... |
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BUSH DECLARES: HILLARY WILL WIN
