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HalfMooner
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Posted - 02/05/2008 :  16:22:45  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Now, even the Disco Institute's lawyers are getting involved in da Thug Life. At DI's "Evolution News & Views," Luskin used the Research Blogging organization's copyrighted logo without permission, and without bothering to even apply for membership.

Douchebag.

Essentially, Research Blogging sets up a system for blogs involved in commenting upon peer-reviewed scientific publications. One of the requirements for membership is that the blogs must be fully open to replies to comments posted by the bloggers.

Luskins's now taken the stolen icon down, and is supposedly applying for membership in Research Blogging. But the day that the DI allows open debate on its sites is not anywhere in the immediate future, in my opinion. It's unlikely the DI will every approach the open standards required by Research Blogging.

Abbie Smith's "ERV" blog is as good as any place to start following the links.


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Here's a link to Moonscape News, and one to its Archive.

Edited by - HalfMooner on 02/05/2008 16:27:07

Kil
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Starman
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Posted - 02/06/2008 :  09:17:38   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Starman a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Removed with a notpology:

http://scienceblogs.com/authority/2008/02/luskin_and_the_peerreviewed_re.php
Originally fabulated by Casey Luskin

At the time that I posted this post, I was not aware that the graphic I had used was owned by ResearchBlogging.org.
Ehhhrm....
What does the icon you copied say?

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-- Terry Jones
Edited by - Starman on 02/06/2008 09:24:54
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H. Humbert
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Posted - 02/06/2008 :  10:01:11   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send H. Humbert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
His basic response was "I didn't know what I was doing was stealing at the time." Which can be rightly interpreted as "I didn't bother to find out if I could use the graphic legally," even though odds were that the image copy write was held by someone. This is the sort of pathetic excuse one expects from a sullen teenager, not a professional lawyer. Of course, it is exactly what one expects from a creationist.


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Ricky
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Posted - 02/06/2008 :  11:06:34   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Ricky an AOL message Send Ricky a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Research Blogging says:

The best way to use the icons is to register at ResearchBlogging.org.


Furthermore, the guidelines state nothing about membership being required. They also make no statement about the blog being open to all commments.

Am I missing something?

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Edited by - Ricky on 02/06/2008 11:07:21
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HalfMooner
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Posted - 02/06/2008 :  15:45:20   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Ricky

Research Blogging says:

The best way to use the icons is to register at ResearchBlogging.org.


Furthermore, the guidelines state nothing about membership being required. They also make no statement about the blog being open to all commments.

Am I missing something?
Point taken. The guidelines aren't very specific, mainly requiring a fair criticism by the blogger, without misrepresentation of the work under criticism. If I'd indeed read something about the blog allowing open commentary (and I may have been mistaken), it was not in those guidelines, but stated or implied by someone else. My apologies.




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Here's a link to Moonscape News, and one to its Archive.
Edited by - HalfMooner on 02/06/2008 15:45:54
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Ricky
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Posted - 02/06/2008 :  16:13:48   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Ricky an AOL message Send Ricky a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Your misunderstanding comes from Abbie, who says:

I think the 'fix' is simple: just require open comments.


However, there is something else going on here.

Questionable Authority
The Research Blogging icon was designed to be used as part of that larger project. Anyone who wants to use the icon is welcome to. All you need to do is make sure that your post meets the guidelines for the project, register at the ResearchBlogging.org website, and follow the simple instructions that are provided. Casey did all but three of those things.


Abby quotes this direct passage.

I can't seem to find the requirement of membership to use the image anywhere on Research Blogging's site.

Why continue? Because we must. Because we have the call. Because it is nobler to fight for rationality without winning than to give up in the face of continued defeats. Because whatever true progress humanity makes is through the rationality of the occasional individual and because any one individual we may win for the cause may do more for humanity than a hundred thousand who hug their superstitions to their breast.
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Edited by - Ricky on 02/06/2008 16:17:39
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 02/06/2008 :  16:44:41   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Starman

Removed with a notpology:

http://scienceblogs.com/authority/2008/02/luskin_and_the_peerreviewed_re.php
Originally fabulated by Casey Luskin

At the time that I posted this post, I was not aware that the graphic I had used was owned by ResearchBlogging.org.
Ehhhrm....
What does the icon you copied say?


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Dude
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Posted - 02/10/2008 :  11:42:38   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Dude a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Mooner, you got that impression from reading the ERV blog entry on the topic. Abbie suggests that requiring open comments on the registered blogs would fix a problem with the research bloggin concept.


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HalfMooner
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Posted - 02/10/2008 :  11:45:57   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Dude

Mooner, you got that impression from reading the ERV blog entry on the topic. Abbie suggests that requiring open comments on the registered blogs would fix a problem with the research bloggin concept.


Right, I got her suggestion mixed up in my mind with what I assumed were the research blog rules. My fault for reading/thinking sloppily, not Abbie's.


Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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