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Dave W.
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Posted - 03/10/2008 :  07:54:12  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Think that Christians and Muslims have the market cornered on violent religious extremism? Think again:
People driving on the Sabbath have been bombarded with rocks. Earlier this year in Beit Shemesh, a young Haredi woman was sitting next [to] an Israeli soldier on a public bus when ultra-Orthodox men assaulted both of them and forced the woman off the bus. Men and women, they said, should be segregated. Later, an ultra-Orthodox man who stood up to the zealots within his own community was himself brutally beaten. He said it was like a pogrom.
I don't see anything in the Old Testament preventing the use of explosives, and I'm thinking it's only a matter of time before these radicals join their more-modern brothers in blowing crap up for God.

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H. Humbert
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Posted - 03/10/2008 :  08:52:03   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send H. Humbert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
And it's certainly not coincidence that these Haredi Jews also oppose evolution.

"A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true." --Demosthenes

"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool." --Richard P. Feynman

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Evil Skeptic

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Posted - 03/10/2008 :  19:05:52   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Many years ago, while in Tel Aviv and trying to get on a bus to Haifa before the buses stopped running on Friday evening, the beginning of the Sabbath, I was confronted by a couple of guys that I assume were from the yeshiva. They tried to block my way and asked me “what kind of Jew are you?” They pretty much found out.

I had no time to debate the issue. I pushed passed them and told them to “fuck off…”

But the truth of it is, in my experience, the Israeli's are mostly secularized and that kind of crap is rare. It might be getting worse among some orthodox sects, but when I was there it was no more common than being accosted by a crazy eyed bible wielding Christian, here, telling me to repent or I am going to hell.

Show me a fundamentalist of any flavor and I will show you a dangerous person.

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Posted - 03/10/2008 :  19:41:39   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send moakley a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Dave W.

Think that Christians and Muslims have the market cornered on violent religious extremism? Think again

Women wearing jeans or pants, Wahlbe says, are a distraction to what he calls "the focused, settled minds" of the Harediim.

"When dealing with this issue of Torah, your mind has to be much more settled and can't be jumping around to all sorts of different planets and all sorts of different fantasies and thoughts that might come up on a teenager's head," he says.
Seems to me that dealing with distractions should be treated as an opportunity for learning, achieving the discipline necessary for a focused, settled mind. But I guess it is so much easier blaming others for your weaknesses, lack of focus. Pathetic little bastards.

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Philosophy is questions that may never be answered. Religion is answers that may never be questioned. -Anonymous
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Posted - 03/11/2008 :  00:07:59   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Seems to me the Harediim should try focusing on their own affairs, and settle for attempting to improve their own minds.

Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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