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Kil
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USA
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Posted - 10/23/2016 :  20:17:07   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Dave W.

A much more detailed we spent $40 so you don't have to.
Sooo... He's pretty much saying the science is dodgy. Who'd a thunk it?

I doubt I'll ever visit the place, and probably wouldn't even if I were in Kentucky. But someone had to do it. A good (as in well written) review.

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Why not question something for a change?

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Dave W.
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Posted - 02/18/2017 :  15:12:19   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Oh, goody, a new diorama!
Creationist and Christian fundamentalist Ken Ham believes that in ancient times humans and dinosaurs co-existed with a race of giants and they all did battle with each other in gladiator-style combat.
In Roman-style arenas, too.

Apparently, the dinosaur kinda embarrassed Ham for a little while. On the 16th he Tweeted this image (note dino coming out of doorway in upper-left image):



But if you go back and look at that Tweet now, you'll see this image, without dino:



Clicking on it would give you the full spread, so the dino was merely hidden behind a mouse click:



But now, two days later, the dino is back:



It's so cute that Kenny thinks he's doing something productive for society, and so can judge the rest of us.

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Christian Hedonist
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Posted - 02/22/2017 :  14:53:06   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Christian Hedonist a Private Message  Reply with Quote
There is this:

http://www.snopes.com/noahs-ark-park-flooded/

I think it would be destroyed in a flood, I doubt that thing will float.

This Ark Park is unnecessary and a waste of money. $40 per person? It would cost me $188 to bring my family. I don't think so. Christians should leave science to scientists.
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 02/27/2017 :  06:19:08   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Christian Hedonist

Christians should leave science to scientists.

I started to shout "AMEN to that!" but then I changed my mind.

Christians should inform themselves from scientists. Not the other way around.


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Christian Hedonist
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Posted - 03/10/2017 :  10:51:09   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Christian Hedonist a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse

Originally posted by Christian Hedonist

Christians should leave science to scientists.

I started to shout "AMEN to that!" but then I changed my mind.

Christians should inform themselves from scientists. Not the other way around.


I don't disagree. My opinion is that some Christians put too much emphasis on creation and young earth. They believe you must believe these things to be saved. My position is it is not a salvation issue. You can believe evolution and old earth and still be saved. Although I don't believe the two are reconcilable.
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Dave W.
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Posted - 03/10/2017 :  21:36:01   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Christian Hedonist

They believe you must believe these things to be saved.
No, actually, they don't.

They believe that if the Bible is wrong about anything, then the Bible might be wrong about salvation. So if even one jot or tittle is incorrect in the Bible, then they have no clue as to whether everlasting life is real. It scares the pants off them.

So, to deny the fear, they insist that the Bible is right and evolution is wrong. They insist that the Ark was a real ocean-going vessel built about 4,200 years ago, and that the grasshoppers on board must have had only four legs. That everyone spoke the same language until the Shinarians screwed it all up through hubris. That Jesus passed both one and two blind men when leaving Jericho. That Jesus ascended from both Bethany and Mount Olivet. Etc.

The lack of faith displayed by these people is pretty spectacular, considering that they insist that salvation comes only through faith (despite the Bible also saying that it can come from words, or good works, or believing what Peter said, or believing what Paul said, etc.). They cannot abide metaphors, and insist upon solid black-and-white boundaries for everything.

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Christian Hedonist
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Posted - 03/16/2017 :  13:54:08   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Christian Hedonist a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Dave W.

Originally posted by Christian Hedonist

They believe you must believe these things to be saved.
No, actually, they don't.

They believe that if the Bible is wrong about anything, then the Bible might be wrong about salvation. So if even one jot or tittle is incorrect in the Bible, then they have no clue as to whether everlasting life is real. It scares the pants off them.

So, to deny the fear, they insist that the Bible is right and evolution is wrong. They insist that the Ark was a real ocean-going vessel built about 4,200 years ago, and that the grasshoppers on board must have had only four legs. That everyone spoke the same language until the Shinarians screwed it all up through hubris. That Jesus passed both one and two blind men when leaving Jericho. That Jesus ascended from both Bethany and Mount Olivet. Etc.

The lack of faith displayed by these people is pretty spectacular, considering that they insist that salvation comes only through faith (despite the Bible also saying that it can come from words, or good works, or believing what Peter said, or believing what Paul said, etc.). They cannot abide metaphors, and insist upon solid black-and-white boundaries for everything.


Here is Ken Ham quote:

"Now, I want to make very clear that belief in a historical Adam and Eve is not a salvation issue per se, but it is a biblical authority issue and a gospel issue.”

So he says it is not a salvation issue but then says it is a gospel issue which is a salvation issue. Ken Ham and the like may not say it is a salvation issue, but they will sure question your Christianity if you do believe in evolution.
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Dave W.
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Posted - 03/16/2017 :  19:26:12   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Christian Hedonist

Here is Ken Ham quote:

"Now, I want to make very clear that belief in a historical Adam and Eve is not a salvation issue per se, but it is a biblical authority issue and a gospel issue.”
That's what I was saying. They think if the Bible is "wrong" in any way, then that diminishes its authority. If the Bible isn't absolutely authoritative, then how can anyone know that faith in Jesus is the way to salvation?

Ken Ham and the like may not say it is a salvation issue, but they will sure question your Christianity if you do believe in evolution.
Ken Ham will question your Christianity if it isn't precisely like his. As I said, black-and-white boundaries.

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