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Snake
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 Posted - 07/04/2001 : 04:46:32
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We need a new poll, already!
"It's all hype, until you prove it"
T.
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ljbrs
SFN Regular
USA
842 Posts |
 Posted - 07/04/2001 : 09:10:18 [Permalink]
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Nothing ever can be proved without qualification. In science, everything is open for disqualification; nothing is sacrosanct. Ideas are always capable of being thrown out by new information. Proofs are always temporary.
I do not think that polls tell anything about the truth or falsity of anything. They tell you what the people taking the poll believe, regardless of any authenticity. The people taking the poll can be all wrong. Statistics can be used to lie. The wording of a poll can alter the results of that poll.
Then again, polls are a lot of fun!
ljbrs
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Lisa
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 07/04/2001 : 10:39:28 [Permalink]
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We need a new poll, already!
What topic? The board seems to run quite a spectrum of political and religious beliefs, yet we all have a good healthy sense of skepticsm in common. That last bit is what makes coming up with a poll so difficult. It's like asking a bunch of vampires how they feel about blood.
The poll can't be about anything new agey or dealing with superstition. You'd only need one response: "hate it". Despite all of our differences, our similiarities make us a very poor representative cross section for society.
Then again, like ljfrs says, they are a lot of fun. What the heck, come up with something, I'll vote.
Lisa
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Greg
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 07/04/2001 : 11:17:25 [Permalink]
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I've got a good topic. Sort of a pet peeve of mine.
'Is the War on Drugs and the prohibition of certain drugs (Marijuana especially) causing more harm to society than the drugs themselves?'
Greg.
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@tomic
Administrator
USA
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Posted - 07/04/2001 : 11:24:32 [Permalink]
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You can even water that down by calling it a "victimless crime"
I have been looking for a good poll. If a good one shows up, it takes but a click to toss it onto the homepage.
@tomic
Gravity, not just a good idea...it's the law! |
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ljbrs
SFN Regular
USA
842 Posts |
Posted - 07/04/2001 : 14:37:47 [Permalink]
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'Is the War on Drugs and the prohibition of certain drugs (Marijuana especially) causing more harm to society than the drugs themselves?'
Now, as with drinking and driving, or with drinking and handling complicated heavy machinery, perhaps smoking marijuana and driving might be considered hazardous to others not so psychologically and physically encumbered.
As long as society is protected from the ill effects of people ingesting marijuana in one form or another, I see no reason for its criminalization.
On the other hand, perhaps some of the folks who make the laws have their fingers in the money till for production and distribution of illegal substances...
ljbrs
Knowing better and doing better are sometimes miles apart.
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@tomic
Administrator
USA
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Posted - 07/04/2001 : 19:19:27 [Permalink]
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I think it is or at least should be a given that operating a vehicle or heavy equipment while impared by any substance remain illegal. Legalizing marijauna would not suddenly mean that it would be acceptable to see airline pilots taking bong hits before takeoff 
@tomic
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ljbrs
SFN Regular
USA
842 Posts |
Posted - 07/04/2001 : 20:22:56 [Permalink]
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@tomic:
Right!
However I am certain that people drive under the influence of drugs today and from watching them drive, you can almost detect the drug in question. The ones on Crack speed like imbeciles and the ones on marijuana move very, very slowly. It is too bad that people feel a need for these things (including alcohol) before they drive. So, if they legalize marijuana, we will be dealing with these people on the road, in addition to the drunks.
I have made it a rule never to venture out on "AMATEUR NIGHT" (New Year's Eve) when all of the kids are out crashing into each other.
ljbrs
If kids knew better, wouldn't they do better?
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@tomic
Administrator
USA
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Posted - 07/04/2001 : 22:22:25 [Permalink]
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I have made it a rule never to venture out on "AMATEUR NIGHT" (New Year's Eve) when all of the kids are out crashing into each other.
I stopped going out on New Year's Eve after I needed to take extreme evasive manuevers 3 times within 4 blocks. You know, people running through stop signs, coming at you because they are in the wrong lane. Fun, fun stuff.....
@tomic
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Snake
SFN Addict
USA
2511 Posts |
Posted - 07/04/2001 : 23:19:27 [Permalink]
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Nothing ever can be proved without qualification. In science, everything is open for disqualification; nothing is sacrosanct. Ideas are always capable of being thrown out by new information. Proofs are always temporary.
I do not think that polls tell anything about the truth or falsity of anything. They tell you what the people taking the poll believe, regardless of any authenticity. The people taking the poll can be all wrong. Statistics can be used to lie. The wording of a poll can alter the results of that poll.
Then again, polls are a lot of fun!
ljbrs
Someone (ljbrs) is being a LITTLE too serious.
Sheesh!!!
"It's all hype, until you prove it"
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Snake
SFN Addict
USA
2511 Posts |
Posted - 07/04/2001 : 23:25:25 [Permalink]
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I've got a good topic. Sort of a pet peeve of mine.
'Is the War on Drugs and the prohibition of certain drugs (Marijuana especially) causing more harm to society than the drugs themselves?'
Greg.
My fellow Libertarians......................
ps. Greg, if you don't have the web site let me know, I'll give it to you.
"It's all hype, until you prove it"
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Lisa
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 07/05/2001 : 00:02:35 [Permalink]
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I think it is or at least should be a given that operating a vehicle or heavy equipment while impared by any substance remain illegal. Legalizing marijauna would not suddenly mean that it would be acceptable to see airline pilots taking bong hits before takeoff
@tomic
Gravity, not just a good idea...it's the law!
In my military career field, we weren't allowed to work on stuff if all we were taking was cold medicine! (BTW, if anyone is curious, 600V HURTS)
Someone who's impaired by any substance, be it alcohol, pot, or Nyquil, should obey restrictions.
Lisa
Chaos...Confusion...Destruction...My Work Here Is Done |
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Trish
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 07/05/2001 : 02:40:36 [Permalink]
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600V HURTS
Yeah, so does 480V 3 phase power. Some yoyo decided to connect power to a bird I was working on despite the red warning tags saying *DO NOT CONNECT POWER*.
This guy wasn't on anything. I think the rule should be *Engage brain before engaging in dangerous activities*
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bestonnet_00
Skeptic Friend
Australia
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Posted - 07/05/2001 : 03:20:21 [Permalink]
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OK, so don't go out on the roads when people who don't know how to drive are out.
Only problem is that is pretty much all the time.
Oh and how many of you know that 3 phase power is really only 2 phase?
BTW: Not everyone here follows the libertarian religion. Although I am happy to leave it as a simple statement of disagreement (for now).
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@tomic
Administrator
USA
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Posted - 07/05/2001 : 03:26:57 [Permalink]
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Someone who's impaired by any substance, be it alcohol, pot, or Nyquil, should obey restrictions.
I can't argue with that. I wish it really was that way.
@tomic
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Boron10
Religion Moderator
USA
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Posted - 07/05/2001 : 14:23:36 [Permalink]
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Trish:
Some yoyo decided to connect power to a bird I was working on despite the red warning tags saying *DO NOT CONNECT POWER*.
Oh, MAN! I assume this person was talking to the CO shortly after that incident.... I have heard several stories of people energising tagged-out equipment, and they all quickly became professional Paint Chippers for the rest of their enlistment.
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Bestonnet:
Oh and how many of you know that 3 phase power is really only 2 phase?
Where do you get this? Three-phase AC has 3 different phases, 120 degrees apart, through 3 power lines. The fourth line (if you look at commercial power lines by the road) is the ground.
-Timmy!
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