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Renae
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Maglev
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 Posted - 12/13/2003 : 14:16:01 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Renae
Barf.
Barf indeed...
From the article:
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"It's a list of professors that need to be scrutinized, watched," said Brendan Steinhauser, a member of the Young Conservatives of Texas. "They need to be held accountable for their actions in the classroom. And they haven't been yet."
Held accountable how? Let me guess; a good ol' fashion lynchin'?
If you read the list of professors and their 'offenses', one thing shines through; It looks like a good school, filled with interesting and thought provoking teachers!
BTW, isn't it odd that liberal students dont feel the need to "watch and scrutinize" these young cons? I would be far more afraid of such a group than teachers hanging posters featuring 'Cuban revolutionaries' and whatnot. The ghost of McCarthy is never far away, isn't he? (That's the only ghost I beleive in btw  )
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moakley
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Posted - 12/13/2003 : 19:53:35 [Permalink]
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| So voicing an opinion is good provided your opinions do not offend the YCT. |
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Renae
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Posted - 12/13/2003 : 22:10:49 [Permalink]
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Awww, I luv you guys  .
I think this was the same group of Young Conservatives that held the bake sale that charged different amounts, depending on what race the buyer was. How sensitive. 
It seems that a lot of younger people today show little understanding of the civil rights movement, the battle for abortion rights, the fight for a 40-hour work week, child labor laws, the battle for unions, or the women's rights movement--those so-called "liberal" causes. Perhaps if those Young Conservatives understood what life was like for blacks before MLK and RFK...or how many women died as a result of back-alley illegal abortions...maybe they wouldn't be so quick to dismiss ideas that challenge white male hegemony or unbridled capitalism.
Or, maybe they'd just keep waving the flag and working toward their MBAs. Some people never "get" it; these kids feel they're rebelling against the establishment--as though the liberals haven't spent the better part of 4 decades doing that.
And frankly, we liberals do it BETTER. 
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Dave W.
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Posted - 12/13/2003 : 22:23:43 [Permalink]
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Um, to be fair, given that 2 of the 3 professors on the YCT's "honor roll" are not conservatives, it appears to me that this watch list is not about dismissing ideas or anything else of that nature. It appears, instead, that the YCTs don't like liberals using their teaching status at a state university to "push" their political views on students. They praise an "even-handed" approach, instead.
Of course, whether or not their critiques are as well-balanced as they'd like the professors to be, I couldn't say.
On the other hand, this group is also pushing to have the Ten Commandments placed around campus, so screw 'em. |
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@tomic
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Posted - 12/13/2003 : 23:31:49 [Permalink]
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I got the impression that the list is designed to intimidate professors that don't tell conservatives what they want to hear. Perhaps the lecture 2 days after 9/11 was right on the mark and it's the stupidity of the conservatives students that was the problem because they couldn't understand the point being made.
Sometimes conservatives are offended because it's their unwillingness to confront the fact that their beliefs are wrong. They then go on to mischaracterize the entire lecture in a style you come to expect. It's unAmerican to try to eliminate debate. if they don't like it they can run their frightened asses to Canada.
In other words..
Fuck 'em
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Maglev
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Posted - 12/15/2003 : 10:14:00 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by @tomic
It's unAmerican to try to eliminate debate. if they don't like it they can run their frightened asses to Canada.
Oh no, oh no! We have more than enough of "these" people around here... And remember, gay civil unions "should" become legal soon in Canada, and pot smoking "should" no longer be a criminal offense (soon also... I'm not holding my breath, ar ar). Plus, remember that we didn't go to war in Iraq... and all those french speaking Canadians... and...
Now wait a minute, you might have something here
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ktesibios
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Posted - 12/15/2003 : 11:08:44 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Renae
Awww, I luv you guys .
I think this was the same group of Young Conservatives that held the bake sale that charged different amounts, depending on what race the buyer was. How sensitive.
It seems that a lot of younger people today show little understanding of the civil rights movement, the battle for abortion rights, the fight for a 40-hour work week, child labor laws, the battle for unions, or the women's rights movement--those so-called "liberal" causes. Perhaps if those Young Conservatives understood what life was like for blacks before MLK and RFK...or how many women died as a result of back-alley illegal abortions...maybe they wouldn't be so quick to dismiss ideas that challenge white male hegemony or unbridled capitalism.
Or, maybe they'd just keep waving the flag and working toward their MBAs. Some people never "get" it; these kids feel they're rebelling against the establishment--as though the liberals haven't spent the better part of 4 decades doing that.
And frankly, we liberals do it BETTER.
I've been thinking for some time now that a sort of "two-generation rule" applies to how long it takes for a significant proportion of a society to forget hard-won lessons.
I went to grade school before there were immunizations against many of the childhood diseases; acquired immunity against a couple of them the hard way (nothing like a ten-day hospital stay with mumps encephalitis to tune up your summer vacation). There was even a kid in my school who dragged a right leg enclosed in a brace because he had had polio. My parents' generation had seen plenty of such things while they were growing up.
Consequently, when the local authorities made the new Sabin oral polio vaccine available to grade school students gratis, every kid in my school was lined up in the auditorium, permission slip in hand. You didn't need to tell us what it was all about- we knew and so did our parents.
Fast forward forty years- I recently had a conversation with a co-worker 13 years my junior and was surprised to discover that I was the only person she had ever met who had actually had mumps. When I told her about Dave, the kid who had had polio, she actually asked me what exactly polio was.
We now have about two generations who have never seen a case of mumps, or measles, or rubella, or polio, due to the success of near-universal immunization. Does this correlate with the rise of anti-vaccination woowooism? I'm inclined to suspect so.
Similarly, my parents' generation went through a very severe object lesson in the ultimate results of unchecked authoritarianism and militarism, a lesson which many of them did not survive.
Two generations or so later, advocating notions of forcibly imposing one's will on the rest of the world and beating the lower orders into submission is once again respectable; unthinking belligerence and generally behaving like the cheapest of bullies are even fashionable among people who don't remember that a mere sixty years ago we were hanging failed conqueror-wannabees for following such ideas to their logical conclusion.
Ideological witch-hunts and blacklists ran their course just about two generations ago as well, and left us immunized against McCarthyism- for how long?
That load of aspiring Eddie Haskells at UT look to me like just another symptom of our persistent inability to retain immunity against discredited theories for more than two generations.
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the_ignored
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Posted - 01/29/2004 : 22:40:24 [Permalink]
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from Renae:
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I think this was the same group of Young Conservatives that held the bake sale that charged different amounts, depending on what race the buyer was. How sensitive.
Yep. Although what exactly they where driving at escapes me at the moment; I'm tired therefore I didn't look at context or anything.
For those who want to investigate context, that's the closest I got before my attention span ran out... |
>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
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> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
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> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.
What brought that on? this. Original posting here.
Another example of this guy's lunacy here. |
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