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chaloobi
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Originally posted by verlch
<snip>WHAT DO YOU GUYS NEED AN INTERVIEW WITH GOD?<snip>
Yes, I need an interview with God. If you can arrange it without me dying, I'd greatly appreciate it.
EDIT: Dave, this thread is getting sloppy. I thought you were going to strictly moderate it. Please feel free to delete this post as part of your moderation. I promise I won't call you a Nazi. |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 06/14/2004 : 10:38:44 [Permalink]
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Chaloobi wrote:quote:
EDIT: Dave, this thread is getting sloppy. I thought you were going to strictly moderate it. Please feel free to delete this post as part of your moderation. I promise I won't call you a Nazi.
Yeah, I thought so, too, but verlch apparently feels more like flinging all-caps crap around. The intent of the moderation was to keep things on-track in order to help verlch get his assertions supported (by being able to simply delete antagonistic replies), but verlch would rather shout "censorship" than take advantage of the opportunity afforded him. Just goes to show that some people won't be satisfied even when the playing field is tilted in their favor.
I'm chalking it up as another "learning experience," at least until verlch himself tells me that he's ready to get serious, in which case I can tidy up this thread, or start yet another one. |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 06/14/2004 : 12:56:10 [Permalink]
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Dave, do you think it's really worth while to start another thread or even try and fix this one? I'm convinced that all we'll ever get out of verlch is more of the same.
Indeed, it's long past reached the point that the only reason I respond to him at all and at such length is for the benefit of any others who might be interested in whatever topic he's fled from. V is a closed door with stuck hinges and a rusty lock, and nothing on the other side.
Let him come and go wherever/whenever he pleases; we'll bat him about at our leasure. Seems fair, no? 
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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Dave W.
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Posted - 06/14/2004 : 19:48:18 [Permalink]
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filthy wrote:quote:
Dave, do you think it's really worth while to start another thread or even try and fix this one?
I said I would do that if verlch tells me he's ready to start getting serious. Given that his one-and-only attempt at defending 'The words "woman" and "female" derive from womens' innate subservience to men' missed the mark by not offering support for the etymology of the words being based upon an innate subservience (which wouldn't require Biblical "evidence" at all), I'm not sure that verlch can address these arguments in a direct and serious way. All he did was reiterate that he thinks the Bible is correct about women, and further dig himself into the assertion hole by implying that "modern men" get all their information from the Internet, and consider ancient texts to be wrong, always.
I say again, verlch: that isn't "debate." |
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verlch
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Posted - 06/14/2004 : 23:41:40 [Permalink]
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Actually, the term "missing link" is obsolete, at best, and a complete misrepresentation of evolutionary theories at worst. I would like to see evidence from you, verlch, that any current-day evolutionary biologist uses the term "missing link." And I'd also like you to define what you mean by "missing link."
1. Why does life appear fully formed and not in stages?
2. Why can we not observe life transforming and morphing before our very eyes? |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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verlch
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Posted - 06/14/2004 : 23:46:47 [Permalink]
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And a document which echoes the sexism of two thousand years ago is valid......how? Societies evolve over time. 2000 years ago, women were regarded as property. The Bible accurately reports this. If you haven't noticed, society has moved on.
What God has to be PC, to make you happy. You have the American dream buddy! With your Co-husband and your divorece papers. With 2/3 of American marriages ending in divorece and 85% of the time the arguementive wife leaves, with your kids and your house! Enjoy hell! Because that is exactly what it feels like fella. Independant minded women, completely dependent on your. There is social order, I think some might be happy exploring metrosexuality! And Homosexuality, because that is where this nation is headed unless some 'real' men step up to the plate!
I'm sure the lion of the pride, or the rooster of the hen house would love to share the title 'alpha male' with every other hen and lioness! Wow what a leader! Darn sexism! |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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verlch
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Posted - 06/14/2004 : 23:53:10 [Permalink]
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You assume that if man does not rule women, then the converse must be true. In reality, men and women can exist as equals. Couples can make decisions by discussing it and coming to a concesus. One need not rule the other.
What feminist womens study course, at what univerity, Did you just graduate from? Hey I think if I married you I would turn into a metrosexual and just for kicks Id let you steer the ship, then you can leave me because you think I'm a wimpy! Hey and then we could argue about everything under the sun and you could take our kids so they could be raised without a father, and most likey as a fatherless child a male will end up being a criminal. Sounds like the American dream for you! I could pay you alimoney and child support for kids that might not be mine, wow sounds like Westurn paridise!
If that happens to me again I won't have a blood pressure because I'll be dead at 45! |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 06/15/2004 : 02:28:56 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Dave W.
filthy wrote:quote:
Dave, do you think it's really worth while to start another thread or even try and fix this one?
I said I would do that if verlch tells me he's ready to start getting serious. Given that his one-and-only attempt at defending 'The words "woman" and "female" derive from womens' innate subservience to men' missed the mark by not offering support for the etymology of the words being based upon an innate subservience (which wouldn't require Biblical "evidence" at all), I'm not sure that verlch can address these arguments in a direct and serious way. All he did was reiterate that he thinks the Bible is correct about women, and further dig himself into the assertion hole by implying that "modern men" get all their information from the Internet, and consider ancient texts to be wrong, always.
I say again, verlch: that isn't "debate."
I don't see it happenin', bro. The above three posts demonstrate that that. The man just ain't studyin'.
But, I promised I'd be good, so I'm leaving him, for the nonce, alone. I will mention that I and my brother were raised by a single parent, and my daughters as well, by myself. Oddly, none of us are in jail and my brother is a tenured Professor of Biology at a major university. Go figger that one, verlch.
And no, I'm not saying which U he's at. He gets enough weird shit in the mail as it is.
Edited to ask, WTF is a 'metrosexual'? And are there any other kinds of 'sexuals' that I've not heard of?  |
"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Posted - 06/15/2004 : 06:15:14 [Permalink]
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verlch wrote:quote:
1. Why does life appear fully formed and not in stages?
2. Why can we not observe life transforming and morphing before our very eyes?
These questions fail to answer my questions to you, but...
1. Because the precursors to life as we know it wouldn't have fossilized, and the likelihood of finding sedimentary rock goes down the farther back in time one goes.
2. Who says we can't? There are several dozen examples of speciation occuring in the last 100 years or so.
filthy wrote:quote:
I don't see it happenin', bro. The above three posts demonstrate that that. The man just ain't studyin'.
You're absolutely right, but I had to give him yet another opportunity. I'm an idealist in that way.quote:
Edited to ask, WTF is a 'metrosexual'? And are there any other kinds of 'sexuals' that I've not heard of?
Watch "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy." And from the Word Spy:A metrosexual is a clotheshorse wrapped around a dandy fused with a narcissist. Like soccer star David Beckham, who has been known to paint his fingernails, the metrosexual is not afraid to embrace his feminine side. Why "metrosexual"? The metro- (city) prefix indicates this man's purely urban lifestyle, while the -sexual suffix comes from "homosexual," meaning that this man, although he is usually straight, embodies the heightened aesthetic sense often associated with certain types of gay men. I'd like to embrace my feminine side, but it keeps telling me it's got a headache. |
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Evidently, I rock!
Why not question something for a change?
Visit Dave's Psoriasis Info, too. |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
14408 Posts |
Posted - 06/15/2004 : 06:36:28 [Permalink]
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I'd like to embrace my feminine side, but it keeps telling me it's got a headache.
Heh-heh, good one! 
Perhaps I should watch more TV. But thus far, I don't think i'm missing a whole lot. But thanks for the def.
Edited to further thank you for the Word Spy link. It is now safely in my collection. |
"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
USA
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Posted - 06/15/2004 : 06:44:33 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by verlch
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You assume that if man does not rule women, then the converse must be true. In reality, men and women can exist as equals. Couples can make decisions by discussing it and coming to a concesus. One need not rule the other.
What feminist womens study course, at what univerity, Did you just graduate from? Hey I think if I married you I would turn into a metrosexual and just for kicks Id let you steer the ship, then you can leave me because you think I'm a wimpy! Hey and then we could argue about everything under the sun and you could take our kids so they could be raised without a father, and most likey as a fatherless child a male will end up being a criminal. Sounds like the American dream for you! I could pay you alimoney and child support for kids that might not be mine, wow sounds like Westurn paridise!
If that happens to me again I won't have a blood pressure because I'll be dead at 45!
Considering that I'm
1) Male
2) Married
I don't think that will work out.
I base my opinions on real life, son. Sharing the responsibility and discussing the options gives two perspectives to each problem. I've noticed that I got better results and solutions by talking to my wife and going ahead with a solution that we both agree on.
Sounds like you have real trust issues with women. When my first marriage broke up due to infidelity, I had a hard time trusting again. That's normal. Perhaps you could use some professional counseling. |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
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Posted - 06/15/2004 : 09:24:57 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
What feminist womens study course, at what univerity, Did you just graduate from? Hey I think if I married you I would turn into a metrosexual and just for kicks Id let you steer the ship, then you can leave me because you think I'm a wimpy!
I find this so hilariously funny.
Making up preconceptions and bogus assertions seems to be his favourite pastime. With a minimal effort he could have investigated Valiant Dancer's sex by looking at his profile, but oh no... It's much more safe and comfortable to Verlch to assume that Val was a woman.
Verlch ability to live in our world's reality truly is challenged. |
Dr. Mabuse - "When the going gets tough, the tough get Duct-tape..."
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verlch
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Posted - 06/15/2004 : 10:03:30 [Permalink]
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Valiant Dancer
What a gay womans name is that?....But I thought....whaaa...What man would come up with that name? Perhaps a 'MetroSexual'....Lol... |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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verlch
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Posted - 06/15/2004 : 10:06:44 [Permalink]
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Neo Pagan, married twice, owner of one 12 year old furry kid named Calypso...
So please Val Dancer...enlighten us on how your first marriage went. Was that the American dream or what? My first was a rotten as a tomato and is still costing me money, and I don't even get any action from her!!!! |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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verlch
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Posted - 06/15/2004 : 10:10:52 [Permalink]
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Perhaps you could use some professional counseling.
Thanks man I don't need Professional Political Correctness Counseling!
Been there done that years ago! With the first one, it amounted to the professianl telling me to get in touch with my feminie side, while the women needs to be my roles, assertive, aggressive, strong, independent. Blah Blah...Look at Canada and look at feminized Europe, that is what is coming to a home NEAR you!
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What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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