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Dave W.
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Posted - 06/15/2004 :  09:16:35  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message
Holy flying frogs, Batman! It's a flying frog!

I just think this stuff is very cool (if fairly useless on a large scale), and wanted to share.

Thanks go to Ben Goldacre for providing the above links.

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NubiWan
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Posted - 06/15/2004 :  10:09:27   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send NubiWan a Private Message
Nice 'share,' Dave... :)

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chaloobi
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Posted - 06/15/2004 :  12:00:50   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send chaloobi a Yahoo! Message Send chaloobi a Private Message
I wonder what the physiological side effects are for an organism to be exposed to such a strong magnetic field. If there are none, boy would that be a fun amusement park attraction.

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Dave W.
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Posted - 06/15/2004 :  13:02:36   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message
There really shouldn't be any physiological effects, just like there aren't any with an MRI.

Hehehe - fun with numbers: As Ben Goldacre stated, the basic set-up for frog levitation will run about $100 grand. To levitate a human, it'd take much more money, and about a gigawatt of continuous power. A gigawatt for a second is about 277.8 kilowatt-hours. So, if they put it in a theme park in the northern mid-west, the electricity cost alone would run about $17,138.89 per second at retail rates, or somewhat over a million bucks a minute. An expensive ride, to say the least.

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Posted - 06/28/2004 :  17:47:29   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send welshdean a Private Message

Now it all becomes clear
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Whether an object will or will not levitate in a magnetic field B is defined by the balance between the magnetic force F = MB and gravity mg = V g where is the material density, V is the volume and g = 9.8m/s2. The magnetic moment M = (/ µ0)VB so that F = (/µ0)BVB = (/2µ0)VB2. Therefore, the vertical field gradient B2 required for levitation has to be larger than 2µ0 g/. Molecular susceptibilities are typically 10-5 for diamagnetics and 10-3 for paramagnetic materials and, since is most often a few g/cm3, their magnetic levitation requires field gradients ~1000 and 10 T2/m, respectively. Taking l = 10cm as a typical size of high-field magnets and B2 ~ B2/l as an estimate, we find that fields of the order of 1 and 10T are sufficient to cause levitation of para- and diamagnetics. This result should not come as a surprise because, as we know, magnetic fields of less than 0.1T can levitate a superconductor (= -1) and, from the formulas above, the magnetic force increases as B2. from

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chaloobi
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Posted - 06/29/2004 :  05:53:11   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send chaloobi a Yahoo! Message Send chaloobi a Private Message
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Originally posted by Dave W.

There really shouldn't be any physiological effects, just like there aren't any with an MRI.

Hehehe - fun with numbers: As Ben Goldacre stated, the basic set-up for frog levitation will run about $100 grand. To levitate a human, it'd take much more money, and about a gigawatt of continuous power. A gigawatt for a second is about 277.8 kilowatt-hours. So, if they put it in a theme park in the northern mid-west, the electricity cost alone would run about $17,138.89 per second at retail rates, or somewhat over a million bucks a minute. An expensive ride, to say the least.

It would be cheaper to go to the International Space Station.

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Dave W.
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Posted - 06/29/2004 :  08:12:27   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message
Crap, I was off by a factor of 1,000. Seventeen bucks a second, or $1000 a minute. Gotta pay attention to kilowatt-hours. Still isn't cheap.

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chaloobi
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Posted - 06/29/2004 :  10:51:48   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send chaloobi a Yahoo! Message Send chaloobi a Private Message
Well it's a hell of a lot cheaper - ALMOST within the realm of affordable. The IST trip is more expensive now, however. (Considering the trip lasts 10 days and costs 20 million bucks, you're looking at about $1,389 per minute.) On the other hand, this is like apples/oranges, as I can't imagine you could be entertained for 10 days in the levitation device, whereas the IST is probably a hell of an experience and most entertaining for the full trip.

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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 06/30/2004 :  09:07:59   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message
So... A trip to ISS gives more bang for the buck than the magnet-levitation.
On the other hand, I'm predisposed to getting car-sick. In the magnet-lavitation I have the option of a quick exit.

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