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Dave W.
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 Posted - 07/29/2004 : 18:42:59 [Permalink]
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Dude wrote:quote:
Something coberst seems to not have grasped...
Not grapsed? coberst doesn't even seem interested in critical thinking or self-learning for himself, other than as phrases to repeat as a self-serving mantra. In all of the dozens of coberst-initiated threads I've seen, the closest I've seen him come to critical thinking is over in this SFN thread, in which he basically apologizes for not thinking critically. And that was earlier today. How long has this been going on?
@tomic wrote:quote:
Just thought I would repeat Dave's Sentence of the Day.
Yeah, and you had to do it before I realized that I screwed up the spelling of 'narcissistic' very much badly. (I was rushed.) |
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coberst
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 07/30/2004 : 04:49:23 [Permalink]
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We all are constantly making judgements. We try our best based upon the evidence at hand and our understanding of ourself and of human nature. Sometimes we are wrong sometimes we are correct.
I have given thought to all the criticism I receive and despite it, or perhaps because it varifies my judgement concerning human nature, I conclude my original judgement is sound. I suspect all of you have made similiar judgements.
I suggest that we recognize this as a fact and go one about our business and give up any attempt to change the mind of one another. |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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Posted - 07/30/2004 : 05:09:44 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by coberst
I suggest that we recognize this as a fact and go one about our business and give up any attempt to change the mind of one another.
That is the sentiment of a closed mind who have decided not to accept new ideas.
It is also the sentiment of those who realise that the other part is not open to new ideas.
Given that you have not been able to back up many of your assertions, it is our duty to point out the flaws in making them. We have been open to your ideas, but at closer examination of them, we have found them to be misguided/misdirected. You don't seem open to the idea that you are barking up the wrong tree.
So who is closed-minded, and who recognises the futility of trying to change it? To me, Dave, Rick, Kil and the rest, it's fairly obvious.
You want to stop arguing?
That makes sense. Just remember that anything posted to this board will most likely be subject to critical analysis. |
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Ricky
SFN Die Hard
USA
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SciFi Chick
Skeptic Friend
USA
99 Posts |
Posted - 07/30/2004 : 06:31:23 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by coberst
I suggest that we recognize this as a fact and go one about our business and give up any attempt to change the mind of one another.
The only way that will happen is if you stop posting assertions here and elsewhere that ideas will be examined and challenged.
If you post stuff here, people will ask you to back it up. If you don't back it up, they will call you on it.
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
26031 Posts |
Posted - 07/30/2004 : 09:26:03 [Permalink]
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coberst wrote:quote:
I suggest that we recognize this as a fact and go one about our business and give up any attempt to change the mind of one another.
As others have already suggested, this sounds like you are going to allow your dogmatism to continue to reign, instead of combatting it and making an attempt at understanding the views of other people.
I don't fault you for making judgements, coberst, I fault you for making one judgement, and then never changing it despite overwhelming contradictory evidence. I mean, my judgement of you has changed over the past couple/few months. At first, I thought you were also interested in discussion and critical thought. I slowly began having doubts, and within the last month or so, have had those doubts confirmed and had to change my first impression radically.
I mean, I asked you two months ago whether you thought an "About Skepticism" folder would be an addition to this web site which you could make use of. You failed to answer in any way. Did you miss my reply? Were you just lazy? Uninterested? Or did you jump to a conclusion that I was "opposed" to your efforts, and thus did not warrant a reply?
Finally, since you appear to be admitting that you won't be able to change our minds (and with that sort of attitude, you'd be absolutely correct), does that mean you won't be gracing us with your presence any more? |
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Deborah
Skeptic Friend
USA
113 Posts |
Posted - 08/01/2004 : 08:41:15 [Permalink]
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| Coberst does talk a lot like this AI robot Ramona on the www.kurzweilai.net website. Go and check out what I mean. |
| Edited by - Deborah on 08/01/2004 08:43:00 |
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N C More
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 08/01/2004 : 10:39:43 [Permalink]
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You're all missing what's really going on with coberst. He doesn't want to back up his statements, engage in any discussion or even think critically and rationally about the material he's presenting. What he wants is simply an audience...period!
I wouldn't call this "trolling" in the classic sense but it's something similar. Think about it, it involves gaining the attention of a group and then controlling things by being unresponsive. A large number of people both here and at Bad Astronomy have put in incredible time and effort "explaining" things to coberst, to no avail. Around and around it goes...and as long as coberst has his audience this is what will happen. JMHO |
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Deborah
Skeptic Friend
USA
113 Posts |
Posted - 08/01/2004 : 17:26:32 [Permalink]
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| Thanks for stating the obvious N C More. The folks here catch on pretty quickly and they are courteous enough and passionate enough to try engaging someone once or twice...generally it becomes a fun time for us to have at the expense of someone else after that. |
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N C More
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 08/02/2004 : 05:21:57 [Permalink]
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| Please excuse me for "stating the obvious". It seemed to me that many were becoming frustrated with cobert's unresponsive behavior and having seen this at two forums I felt compelled to spell it out. Dancing around an issue isn't my style...if folks want to continue to "explain" things to coberst then have fun. Personally, I consider it a form of trolling and won't "feed". |
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Ricky
SFN Die Hard
USA
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coberst
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 08/02/2004 : 06:26:47 [Permalink]
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When I was a kid I often took my dime and went to the movies. I quickly learned how to recognize the good guys and the bad guys. The good guys wore white hats and the bad guys wore dark hats.
Today we have TV and we are much more sophisticated. We cannot depend on hats for ID purposes. However, I find that one can usually identify the bad guys to be in a group and the good guys to operate alone. The good guy is out there all alone fighting for truth, justice and the American Way and the bad guys move in a group for mutual protection from the danger of new ideas.
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
26031 Posts |
Posted - 08/02/2004 : 07:10:52 [Permalink]
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coberst wrote:quote:
However, I find that one can usually identify the bad guys to be in a group and the good guys to operate alone. The good guy is out there all alone fighting for truth, justice and the American Way and the bad guys move in a group for mutual protection from the danger of new ideas.
Well, you're doing little more than telling us the basis for your prejudicial, negative, close-minded rejection of the new ideas people have been trying to get across to you.
You're also telling us that even though you lament the fact that critical thinkers don't have organizations (which is untrue), you would assume that those organizations would do little more than circle the wagons in defense of the status quo. In a thread titled "It Makes Sense," this makes no sense. |
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Ricky
SFN Die Hard
USA
4907 Posts |
Posted - 08/02/2004 : 10:23:19 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by coberst
The good guy is out there all alone fighting for truth, justice and the American Way and the bad guys move in a group for mutual protection from the danger of new ideas.
Just a side note, what exactly is the "American Way"? Is it taking land and property from native people while rapping their women and killing their children? Or is it locking an entire group of people up because we went to war with their country of origin while they want to go to war for us? Or is it attacking foriegn countries on evidence which is misguided at best, in a pursuit to get oil?
Now I know I am only pointing out the bad points of America, there are plenty of good, but you have to take America as a whole, not just the good, not just the bad. That is why I hate the saying "The American Way". And besides, there is no "American Way". We are a country founded by a collection of all other countries, we are diverse, we have no one way. That is the greatest thing about us. |
Why continue? Because we must. Because we have the call. Because it is nobler to fight for rationality without winning than to give up in the face of continued defeats. Because whatever true progress humanity makes is through the rationality of the occasional individual and because any one individual we may win for the cause may do more for humanity than a hundred thousand who hug their superstitions to their breast.
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