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Ricky
SFN Die Hard
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mountain_hare
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 Posted - 12/03/2004 : 03:25:02 [Permalink]
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You'll have to forgive me, tkster, but I find it difficult to believe that you go from endorsing jackasses like Hovind a couple weeks ago, to now stating that you find the evidence for evolution acceptable this week?
I don't find it that unbelievable. I know from personal experiences that sudden changes of mindset can occur, both my own point of view, and ex-Creationists/ex-Jehovah's witnesses etc.
Although I was displeased about the way tkster suppress, quash and ridicule opposing opinions on his boards, I'm not about to do the same. If he sincerely is interested in finding the truth, then to me, 'all is forgiven'.
After all, I can't talk. I once fully supported the war in Iraq, and was willingly brainwashed by propaganda (and I was an atheist back then!) Being deconverted from a Bush supporter occurred almost overnight, when I decided to stop reading information solely from pro-Bush web sites.
It's a pity that the debate will not be finished, since Peptide went to so much effort to contribute. |
"This may sound really off the wall, but listen to me. You've got to believe me. I've not gone crazy, and I'm not fooling around. At first I thought I was losing my mind. But now I know I'm not. It's not me. The scientific community. It's being invaded by Creationism. Someone's ignorant delusions come to life. Little by little, the
invasion is spreading. Trying to swallow up everything in ignorance."
The words of Dr. Harry to the disbelieving scientific community, who were amazed that such idiotic ideals as "Creationism" would ever be taken seriously.
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tkster
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 12/03/2004 : 07:14:08 [Permalink]
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Even if the debate was finished, I don't think anything could be said to rebutt it. Either way, JD has a new girlfriend so between blowing of school and work, I don't think he's going to bother coming to an online forum just to refute some guys work he really doesn't care about.
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
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Posted - 12/03/2004 : 09:47:54 [Permalink]
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tk: Even if the debate was finished, I don't think anything could be said to rebut it. Either way, JD has a new girlfriend so between blowing of school and work, I don't think he's going to bother coming to an online forum just to refute some guys work he really doesn't care about.
Well, there is the little matter of Jimi's integrity being at stake since he agreed to the debate. Not that it matters much anymore since the debate was against the position of your site, really. But it would be nice if Jimi personally threw in the towel if he isn't going to do a rebuttal. At this point it's really a matter of decency. He should acknowledge the work Peptide put into the debate and take responsibility for dropping the ball… |
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Why not question something for a change?
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Peptide
Skeptic Friend
USA
69 Posts |
Posted - 12/03/2004 : 10:39:35 [Permalink]
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| It has become apparent that Jimi no longer wants to participate in the debate. Even other regulars at ST no longer talk about pwning evolutionists, which I find entertaining. It is too bad that the mature posters who refer to actual evidence are now being banned because of their worldview. Kevkev made it quite apparent that only neocon creationists who swallow Dr. Mercola's pseudoscience are allowed to post at Skeptictimes. I guess this is the only way that skepticism can be supported at ST, by silencing any criticism. |
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tkster
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 12/03/2004 : 10:57:17 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
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tk: Even if the debate was finished, I don't think anything could be said to rebut it. Either way, JD has a new girlfriend so between blowing of school and work, I don't think he's going to bother coming to an online forum just to refute some guys work he really doesn't care about.
Well, there is the little matter of Jimi's integrity being at stake since he agreed to the debate. Not that it matters much anymore since the debate was against the position of your site, really. But it would be nice if Jimi personally threw in the towel if he isn't going to do a rebuttal. At this point it's really a matter of decency. He should acknowledge the work Peptide put into the debate and take responsibility for dropping the ball…
Should, but again, I doubt he'll even be on again. If someone is going to drop out of school and quit their job over a girl, yeah, I don't think he's even thinking about the debate. But that's how I see it.
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furshur
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 12/03/2004 : 14:04:33 [Permalink]
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This is what happened to Jimi:
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If someone is going to drop out of school and quit their job
MY GOD PEPTIDE, I hope you are proud of yourself you destroyed Jimi's grip on reality. He read your post and his house of cards collapsed.
...Presenting evidence and factual data to a creationist... of all the dastardly deeds... I hope your happy!
Now he is going to take his new girlfriend, cut the soles off of his shoes, wear flannel shirts and go live in a commune. Good God I'll bet he starts voting for Democrats!
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Peptide
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 12/03/2004 : 14:31:03 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by furshur
MY GOD PEPTIDE, I hope you are proud of yourself you destroyed Jimi's grip on reality. He read your post and his house of cards collapsed.
...Presenting evidence and factual data to a creationist... of all the dastardly deeds... I hope your happy!
Now he is going to take his new girlfriend, cut the soles off of his shoes, wear flannel shirts and go live in a commune. Good God I'll bet he starts voting for Democrats!
Hehe, I would hope that jimi hasn't structured his entire life around a 6,000 year old earth and special creation. Many christians have recognized that their religious life does not revolve around creationism, and hopefully jimi can recognize that as well. Of course, a little flannel and soy milk never hurt anybody. |
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 12/03/2004 : 17:05:01 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Peptide
Kevkev made it quite apparent that only neocon creationists who swallow Dr. Mercola's pseudoscience are allowed to post at Skeptictimes.
Huh? I thought tkster was changing the direction of his site and dropping the creationist slant. Why then does he still have a YEC moderating his forums?
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tkster
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 12/03/2004 : 18:00:26 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by H. Humbert
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Originally posted by Peptide
Kevkev made it quite apparent that only neocon creationists who swallow Dr. Mercola's pseudoscience are allowed to post at Skeptictimes.
Huh? I thought tkster was changing the direction of his site and dropping the creationist slant. Why then does he still have a YEC moderating his forums?
You're both wrong actually.
First it is not called the Skeptic Times Forum anymore, but Universe City Forums.
Second, JD split and Kevin is still a moderator, but I have added Athena, an atheist moderator, to the group. Since I don't expect to see JD back ever, I think that having two will work for now, on JD's return if so, then I'll promote someone else of non-Judeo-Christian belief to ensure balance.
Third, there will be no slant to my site except satire and Op-Eds. The newsletters have always been satiric and will remain that way, the radio will be satiric, and of course there will be Op-Eds that are more serious. So the site will be mostly for humor sake and of course to poke fun of Mr. Okrent at the NY Times.
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
13481 Posts |
Posted - 12/03/2004 : 18:51:01 [Permalink]
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tk:
Kevin is still a moderator, but I have added Athena, an atheist moderator, to the group.
Both powerful thinkers and both a credit to their respective genders...
Sorry tk, I just can't help myself…
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Why not question something for a change?
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tkster
Skeptic Friend
USA
193 Posts |
Posted - 12/03/2004 : 20:34:51 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
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tk:
Kevin is still a moderator, but I have added Athena, an atheist moderator, to the group.
Both powerful thinkers and both a credit to their respective genders...
Sorry tk, I just can't help myself…
I know. But they aren't moderators for that reason as I didn't even think about gender. They are moderators because they know the rules at least the new rules. Now let's just hope they can obey them ;).
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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Posted - 12/04/2004 : 17:40:08 [Permalink]
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The creation/evolution debate thread at Universe City, formerly known as Skeptic Times, is with a clear margin the most read thread on the site. Then add the fact that the thread only consisted of 4 posts. I think it's safe to assume that a lot of the traffic to the site depended on the debate.
Since the debate is unofficially concluded, there's pretty much no point in going there anymore.
When this thread was locked, I'm thinking maybe I crossed the line harassing jimi?
What can I say? In situations like this I have a tendency of becoming the pit-bull that won't let go of the bone...
Perhaps that is why "Septic Fiend" is a fitting description...
Dave opened my eyes a while back during a chat, and made me realise that the going-for-the-throat reflex is not always an advantage for a skeptical mind. I've since tried to keep my head cooler, but I'm only human.
I'm not sorry for demanding a response from jimi though. Being so cocksure of himself, his attitude backfired on him. I'm not surprised it did.
No matter his reasons, for all purposes this debate seems to be over. Jimi left. Bailed out without a word, and by doing so, he's leaving in disgrace. And tkster is left to face the music. I don't envy him.
The debate was not done in vain though. Peptide managed to collect three really impressive arguments for the theory of biological evolution, in a very short time. What is left to do now is setting up the 'paper' along with the other Creation/Evolution-articles here on SFN.
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
13481 Posts |
Posted - 12/04/2004 : 19:52:39 [Permalink]
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Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.
Why not question something for a change?
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
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Posted - 12/04/2004 : 22:10:41 [Permalink]
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Oh, forcryingoutloud, tkster. I just read the thread Mab linked to. Don't accuse Mab of lying by saying that you've only posted "DONE" three times in your debate thread when the note at the bottom of your rules post in that thread clearly says "edited 7 times in total." Such lies are easily spotted, and made all the more egregious by calling people illiterate and ignorant.
You know what "ticks me off?" People who think that they can insult other people's intelligence so blatantly (regardless of whether they're Christian or atheist or whatever). Whether or not our memories of a one-week time limit are correct is no longer the issue. What's at issue now are two things:
1) Your hypocrisy in insisting that rebuttals should take less time than introductory posts in a debate, yet being "surprised" that Peptide posted "so quickly" (when he took the same amount of time for intro and rebuttal) and allowing jimi 37 days now for his rebuttal, despite your current confidence that he won't ever post again to that thread. The idea that this is in any way "fair" (per your baseball analogy, the "home team" has taken a couple days off to rest up for the bottom of the ninth inning in a single game) is simply and obviously ludicrous.
2) Your ability to maintain a public Web forum with any amount of credibility when it's clear that your friends, no matter how idiotic they act, will not only be tolerated, but promoted to moderators. Kevin and Courtney are going to cause you nothing but problems. Their posts speak for themselves in this regard. |
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