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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
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 Posted - 11/01/2004 : 16:42:19 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Siberia
Why do I have an impression he'll never post that rebuttal?
It doesn't matter... Peptide did his rebuttal in one week, if Jimi don't do the same we can label him a loser. Of course, I don't think we'll be able to declare him loser in a post at Skeptic Times, but he'll be one none the less if he doesn't show up.
If creationism is a superior theory, he shouldn't have any problem whipping up a powerful rebuttal... |
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Siberia
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Posted - 11/01/2004 : 16:49:21 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
quote:
Originally posted by Siberia
Why do I have an impression he'll never post that rebuttal?
It doesn't matter... Peptide did his rebuttal in one week, if Jimi don't do the same we can label him a loser. Of course, I don't think we'll be able to declare him loser in a post at Skeptic Times, but he'll be one none the less if he doesn't show up.
If creationism is a superior theory, he shouldn't have any problem whipping up a powerful rebuttal...
Well, true...
But I still wanted to see how he'd overcome the nylon bug |
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Ricky
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furshur
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USA
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Posted - 11/02/2004 : 07:00:15 [Permalink]
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Ricky get ready to laugh. I think he post will actually read:
"All of your arguments are based on unform. and this is wrong."
Reference "Dr. Dino website".
By the way Peptide outstanding job.
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mountain_hare
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Posted - 11/03/2004 : 02:53:50 [Permalink]
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| What I predict will happen in the typical Creationist hack job. Cut and paste lumps of 'argument' from Creationist sites, and sit back and watch the fireworks. Afterwards, he will claim victory. |
"This may sound really off the wall, but listen to me. You've got to believe me. I've not gone crazy, and I'm not fooling around. At first I thought I was losing my mind. But now I know I'm not. It's not me. The scientific community. It's being invaded by Creationism. Someone's ignorant delusions come to life. Little by little, the
invasion is spreading. Trying to swallow up everything in ignorance."
The words of Dr. Harry to the disbelieving scientific community, who were amazed that such idiotic ideals as "Creationism" would ever be taken seriously.
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
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Posted - 11/04/2004 : 06:53:29 [Permalink]
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I'm confused-- perhaps someone could remind me. Over at the debate thread, I now see this line:
"Neither Introduction are for rebuttals so any "rebuttal" will be removed. You are to present your argument in favor of your theory; rebuttals will occur next with no time restriction" (emphasis mine).
I don't recall reading that earlier. My understanding was that Peptide had a week after Jimi to rebutt, but Jimi was given unlimited time. Now, tkster has followed up Peptide's post by saying:
"Well there was NO time limit for the rebuttals, so I am somewhat surprised Peptide posted so quickly. Nonetheless, it is now Jimi's turn. This topic is locked as Jimi can add to it and remove this post when done."
Is this correct-- was Peptide given unlimited time? Or did tkster change the rules on us?
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tomk80
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Posted - 11/04/2004 : 07:44:55 [Permalink]
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| I am not sure. I recall reading the one week for a rebuttal also, but I never saved the posts on my own computer or anywhere else so I can't be sure. |
Tom
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Dave W.
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Posted - 11/04/2004 : 22:35:15 [Permalink]
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tkster's latest behaviour is reflective of his inconsistency, as has already been discussed around here.
From this debate:Well there was NO time limit for the rebuttals, so I am somewhat surprised Peptide posted so quickly. From the discussion of another pending debate:The rebuttal round, the evolutionist goes first, of course, with the Creationist following - but no dates are set on it, as rebuttals shouldn't take too long to do. The hardest part of a debate is presenting the argument because you don't know what to pick, whereas with a rebuttal, you know what you will be dealing with. So, if it takes a week to do the "hardest part," tkster being suprised at all that a rebuttal was done in another week is surprising, itself.
By the way, I also remember a one-week rebuttal limit for this debate, but failed to copy it off, and tkster edits the "rules" posts quite often:Last edited by tkster on Sun Oct 31, 2004 4:08 am; edited 7 times in total This isn't surprising. |
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Hawks
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Posted - 11/05/2004 : 01:21:26 [Permalink]
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I seem to remember that old web pages are logged somewhere and can be re-retrieved. I'll try to find out.
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Hawks
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Posted - 11/05/2004 : 01:39:43 [Permalink]
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You can try www.archive.org. I'd do it myself, but I'm not sure on exactly which web page the time limit for the rebuttal is, and I really need to go to bed.
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
USA
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Posted - 11/05/2004 : 07:02:50 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Dave W.
[By the way, I also remember a one-week rebuttal limit for this debate, but failed to copy it off, and tkster edits the "rules" posts quite often:Last edited by tkster on Sun Oct 31, 2004 4:08 am; edited 7 times in total This isn't surprising.
I noticed that, too. The problem I now have is that if one (or both) of the debators have unlimited time to rebutt, how/when does the debate end? do we need to check back daily in hopes that Jimi will have replied?
The whole thing seems more and more like a sham-- especially now that Jimi's arguments have been destroyed to the point where he can't attack evolution without attacking his own (illegally made) earlier arguments against it! I doubt we'll ever see the debate concluded. |
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mountain_hare
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Posted - 11/07/2004 : 01:03:43 [Permalink]
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LOL. I'd love to see the private convo's between tkster and jimi.
Jimi: "Code red! Oh God, I was just torn to shreds. I need help, tkster!"
Tkster: "Don't blaspheme! That's against the rules of this forum! Oh, wait, you're not an atheist. Carry on!"
Jimi: "Erm, yeahhhh. Anyway, can you pull some strings so that I can have an unfai.. errm, I mean perfectly fair advantage in this debate?"
Tkster: *mutters to self* "Bloody moron. He's a moderator, but too inept to edit the rules. *sighs* Oh well, I'd better do it myself!"
Tkster: "Jimi, have you typed up your reply?"
Jimi: "Err, I'm just going out the back to get it!" *footsteps, and a car screeching*.
Tkster: "Umm, yeah. Where was I? Oh yes, unlimited debate time for Jimi!"
To be continued... in 100 years time! |
"This may sound really off the wall, but listen to me. You've got to believe me. I've not gone crazy, and I'm not fooling around. At first I thought I was losing my mind. But now I know I'm not. It's not me. The scientific community. It's being invaded by Creationism. Someone's ignorant delusions come to life. Little by little, the
invasion is spreading. Trying to swallow up everything in ignorance."
The words of Dr. Harry to the disbelieving scientific community, who were amazed that such idiotic ideals as "Creationism" would ever be taken seriously.
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
9696 Posts |
Posted - 11/07/2004 : 04:14:02 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Dave W.
By the way, I also remember a one-week rebuttal limit for this debate, but failed to copy it off, and tkster edits the "rules" posts quite often:Last edited by tkster on Sun Oct 31, 2004 4:08 am; edited 7 times in total This isn't surprising.
If I'm not mistaken, at least in Snitz-forums, editing a post is a way to bump the thread. This could be the reason tkster is editing the post. Though it would have been easier making it a sticky.
The Skeptic Times forum is not powered by Snitz though, and when I edited a post in a thread it was not bumped, but it could work for admins. |
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
USA
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Posted - 11/10/2004 : 07:11:41 [Permalink]
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Well, Jimi's now had a week and just over four days to write and post something-- not counting the week he had while Peptide composed his rebuttal-- but thus far, nothing new has been posted to the debate thread over at SkepticTimes.
Looks like we're never going to get a reply, nor will a winner ever be declared. And I'm suspecting that this "out" was created from the start, as tkster set everything up so a) Jimi would go last, and b) he'd have unlimited time. Now Jimi saves face, and the whole gang doesn't have to admit that they should abandon their creationist stance.
I regret now that we (even though I didn't really participate in setting the ground rules!) didn't push for some sort of time limit, even if it were as long as four or five weeks for Jimi... |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
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Posted - 11/10/2004 : 07:45:35 [Permalink]
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quote:
Cuneiformist
Looks like we're never going to get a reply, nor will a winner ever be declared. And I'm suspecting that this "out" was created from the start, as tkster set everything up so a) Jimi would go last, and b) he'd have unlimited time. Now Jimi saves face, and the whole gang doesn't have to admit that they should abandon their creationist stance.
Naaaa. You give these guys too much credit. They shoot from the hip. I think tkster did change the rules to accommodate Jimi, but it was not done with any plan in mind. It's just incompetence coupled with an incomplete ethical compass. Fact is, on their radio show, they joked about how easy it will be to rebut peptides arguments. (I'm too lazy to get that link.)
I don't know if the radio show was recorded before or after peptides rebuttal. |
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