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Storm
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 Posted - 12/06/2004 : 20:26:05 [Permalink]
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I wonder Verlch if we are not toworship Idols than how why do christians worship the cross or the staue of the Madonna and Baby? Which of course is just another representation of the Goddess. Oh and Verlch what says you anout Jesus gettinf Down With Mary Magdalene? |
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Siberia
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Posted - 12/07/2004 : 05:28:00 [Permalink]
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| Actually, most protestant churches don't have crosses, nor do they favor statues such as the Madonna and Baby... |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 12/07/2004 : 06:09:54 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Siberia
Actually, most protestant churches don't have crosses, nor do they favor statues such as the Madonna and Baby...
Actually, they do, at least here in the States. But they don't venerate the crucifix in quite the same way as the Catholic and Orthodox.
I have wondered, not often because I don't much care -- people in general are mindless lemmings -- why an insturment of torture and slow death should inspire so much adulation, indeed, become a symbol for an entire faith and all of it's various sects. Especally a faith professing, if not practicing, a love-thy-neighbor philosphy. There is nothing sacred about a couple of sticks lashed together, and some pathetic Jew nailed to them does not inspire joy in any heart but the most sadistic.
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Siberia
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Posted - 12/07/2004 : 06:54:44 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
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Originally posted by Siberia
Actually, most protestant churches don't have crosses, nor do they favor statues such as the Madonna and Baby...
Actually, they do, at least here in the States. But they don't venerate the crucifix in quite the same way as the Catholic and Orthodox.
Mmm... not here, or at least not the ones my mother's visited (and took me with her). Maybe the more traditional, such as baptist and whatever else.
Maybe the whole crucifix thing began as a mean the Christians had to communicate and acknowledge each other - back on the days they were outlaws |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 12/07/2004 : 07:46:12 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Siberia
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Originally posted by filthy
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Originally posted by Siberia
Actually, most protestant churches don't have crosses, nor do they favor statues such as the Madonna and Baby...
Actually, they do, at least here in the States. But they don't venerate the crucifix in quite the same way as the Catholic and Orthodox.
Mmm... not here, or at least not the ones my mother's visited (and took me with her). Maybe the more traditional, such as baptist and whatever else.
Maybe the whole crucifix thing began as a mean the Christians had to communicate and acknowledge each other - back on the days they were outlaws
I could be wrong, but it seems as if I've read something about the early symbol being that of a fish, not unlike the ones you see glued to the rear of autos. Mine sez DARWIN.
Every church I've ever been in, admittedly not many, has had a crucifix, a bare one -- no Jew, tacked to the wall somewhere. It also appeared on the covers of hymnals and so forth. As the symbol of Christianity, it's pretty much universal.
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Siberia
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Posted - 12/07/2004 : 08:29:07 [Permalink]
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True, true... the cross's the symbol of Christ, wherever.
Yeah, the fish. I forgot about the fish. |
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verlch
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Posted - 12/07/2004 : 11:14:53 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Storm
I wonder Verlch if we are not toworship Idols than how why do christians worship the cross or the staue of the Madonna and Baby? Which of course is just another representation of the Goddess. Oh and Verlch what says you anout Jesus gettinf Down With Mary Magdalene?
Jesus was freinds with Mary, Jesus committed no sins and died as a sacrifice for all our evil sins. I don't agree with the Madonna, it amounts to goddess worship. Christians are raised to pray to a dead women, who is in heaven no more than you or I. Gods word says the dead 'know' nothing and no longer take part of anything done under the sun. In the day they die their thoughts cease. From dust man was created and to dust he shall return! So therefore Christians have been hoodwinked into saint worship and prayer to these dead men and a few women. Your prayer and worship should be directed toward the Living God. The cross, especially with a circle around the top part of it around the cross part, is a pagan symbol. Just look at the Pantheon and look at the symbolism inside of it. In my thoughts the cross should be taken down the world over and the attention directed toward what Jesus did on the cross and not the instrument used to bring him pain and death! BTW the Christians that do use the cross, holy water and saint worship are wonderful people many of them. Wonderful Christians that would die trying to help anyone of you. |
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Siberia
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Posted - 12/07/2004 : 11:21:45 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
The cross, especially with a circle around the top part of it around the cross part, is a pagan symbol. Just look at the Pantheon and look at the symbolism inside of it.
Yep, the ankh. That one is indeed an egyptian (I think) symbol. |
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 12/07/2004 : 11:51:55 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
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Originally posted by Storm
I wonder Verlch if we are not toworship Idols than how why do christians worship the cross or the staue of the Madonna and Baby? Which of course is just another representation of the Goddess. Oh and Verlch what says you anout Jesus gettinf Down With Mary Magdalene?
Jesus was freinds with Mary, Jesus committed no sins and died as a sacrifice for all our evil sins. I don't agree with the Madonna, it amounts to goddess worship. Christians are raised to pray to a dead women, who is in heaven no more than you or I. Gods word says the dead 'know' nothing and no longer take part of anything done under the sun. In the day they die their thoughts cease. From dust man was created and to dust he shall return! So therefore Christians have been hoodwinked into saint worship and prayer to these dead men and a few women. Your prayer and worship should be directed toward the Living God. The cross, especially with a circle around the top part of it around the cross part, is a pagan symbol. Just look at the Pantheon and look at the symbolism inside of it. In my thoughts the cross should be taken down the world over and the attention directed toward what Jesus did on the cross and not the instrument used to bring him pain and death! BTW the Christians that do use the cross, holy water and saint worship are wonderful people many of them. Wonderful Christians that would die trying to help anyone of you.
Got any artwork depicting Jesus, verlch? (Plastic Jesuses, paintings, etc) How about Noah?
If so, you've broken one of the 10 Commandments.
Exodus 20:4
"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness [of any thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth beneath, or that [is] in the water under the earth:"
And we don't hate Christians or wish their demise. If they were drowning, we'd definately try to help. We're just pointing out the hypocracy of your stance. |
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Rubicon95
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Posted - 12/07/2004 : 15:23:41 [Permalink]
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The Ankh is Egyptian and is a symbol of life.
The cross has an interesting history. The tau was a form of execution by the Persians. It later got adopted by the Romans. (and wonderfully re-invented in Brave New Word) Crucifixion is not just a form a execution but also a deterrent used by the Romans to instill order in societies.
Early Christians found the cross to be an embarrassment. Here you have the Lord and Saviour of the world, killed and lined up with ordinary (and political) criminals. Not really appealing to the hoi polloi. It was only until Constantine that the cross was acceptable again or in fashion. This made the iconclasts very happy. It also brought in the Roman influence of Christianity. Ever notice the P-X in a Catholic Church. That is a symbol of Mithra.
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R.Wreck
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Posted - 12/07/2004 : 16:46:29 [Permalink]
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filthy wrote:
I have wondered, not often because I don't much care -- people in general are mindless lemmings -- why an insturment of torture and slow death should inspire so much adulation, indeed, become a symbol for an entire faith and all of it's various sects. Especally a faith professing, if not practicing, a love-thy-neighbor philosphy. There is nothing sacred about a couple of sticks lashed together, and some pathetic Jew nailed to them does not inspire joy in any heart but the most sadistic.
I couldn't agree more, filthy. Having been raised catholic, I am all too familiar with the huge gruesome gaping wound sided Jesus with the nails through the hands and feet and the blood running down the face hanging up in front of the whole congregation, and the seemingly endless smaller knockoffs. Years ago my mom sent me a bronze one that had been on my father's casket. I found the whole thing so creepy I had to get rid of it.
On a lighter note, I still chuckle to recall when a friend told me (in church) that the letters INRI at the top of the crucifix stood for "I'm Nailed Right In". |
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