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Doomar
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 Posted - 12/10/2004 : 15:28:44 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by beskeptigal
[One concern I have is the TOTAL LACK of coverage of the Ohio recount in the mainstream media.
Beskept, this same point has been noticed by many. Some think it is a purposeful black out of the story...I have no doubt.
And one question I would like to see answered is how many voting machines were there in the black majority precincts in past elections? (Not enough machines in some areas and plenty in others and supposedly it was influenced by the Republican in charge.)
another good point. In one of the articles it is noted that many areas actually had fewer machines than the years before while having an increased number in registration, while white upper class areas got more machines.
As far as why not recount all the votes, etc., etc., my understanding of the issues are the problems occurred in states like Ohio and FL where a very biased Republican was in charge of the election process.
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Doomar
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Doomar
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Posted - 12/11/2004 : 15:06:00 [Permalink]
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Counting Votes
http://baltimorechronicle.com/120904Burns.shtml
12/9/04
by Margie Burns
According to the company web site, "Election Systems & Software, Inc.
(ES&S) is the world's largest and most experienced provider of total
election management solutions with over 74,000 systems installed worldwide.
interesting
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Doomar
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Posted - 12/11/2004 : 15:08:42 [Permalink]
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BUSTED? Pynchon thinks there's something rotten in Volusia
http://www.orlandoweekly.com/news/Story.asp?ID=4732
By Jeffrey C. Billman
Published 12/9/04
"One minute I feel like Erin Brockovich, the next I feel like the Keystone
Kops."
...."Combined, the two flaws equal the possibility of cheating, in Pynchon's
assessment. "If those cards didn't really fail, if you don't have those
original [poll] tapes, they could do whatever the heck they wanted. I'm not
saying they did that. But that's the problem, you just don't know. To
accept all these screw-ups is to say, 'OK, we just trust you.' That is what
I can't do. I'm not accusing anyone of fraud at this point. I would accuse
them of lying."
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Doomar
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Posted - 12/13/2004 : 20:30:50 [Permalink]
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Blackwell Locks Down Ohio Voting Records
http://fairnessbybeckerman.blogspot.com/2004/12/blackwell-locks-out-recount-volunteers.html
Ohio Election Investigation Thwarted by Surprise Blackwell Order
Dayton, Ohio
Friday December 10, 2004
On Friday December 10 two certified volunteers for the Ohio Recount team
assigned to Greene County were in process recording voting information from
minority precincts in Greene County, and were stopped mid-count by a
surprise order from Secretary of State Blackwell's office. The Director
Board of Elections stated that "all voter records for the state of Ohio
were "locked-down," and now they are not considered public records."
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Doomar
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Doomar
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Posted - 12/16/2004 : 08:24:58 [Permalink]
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Green says voting company tampered with recount effort
http://www.bluelemur.com/index.php?p=490
12/13/2004
By John Byrne | RAW STORY Editor
David Cobb, the unsuccessful Green Party presidential candidate, aired
startling allegations at the Democratic House Judiciary Committee's
Columbus hearings Monday, alleging that a voting company resentative
tampered with voting equipment in an unspecified county last Friday and
attempted to plant false information into the Ohio recount.
Read the whole story! |
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Doomar
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Posted - 12/16/2004 : 08:26:26 [Permalink]
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Smoking Gun of Election Fraud is in Ken Blackwell's Hand
http://www.opednews.com/wade_121204_election_smoking_gun.htm
12/12/04
By Anthony Wade
Votergate 2004 is not going away. There are stories every day about the
Ukraine and the obvious fraud in their elections but deafening silence
about our own elections continues.
Read it all: this is a hot story! |
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Doomar
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Posted - 12/16/2004 : 08:29:10 [Permalink]
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"Cobb cited one case detailed by an --as yet anonymous-- informant, that a
Triad GSI employee had told staff at the Columbus County Board of Elections
office to inconspicuously note a prepared recount result, then report this
data irrespective of the actual recount. The Triad GSI representative had
also tampered with Triad voting equipment in the offices.
"This is going on, all over the state," Cobb told the hearing."
REad all at: House Judiciary Ohio Forum Hears of Recount Fraud Plans
http://www.breakfornews.com/articles/OhioForumDec13Report1.htm
David Cobb tells Conyers Forum of Preparations for Recount Fraud
By Fintan Dunne, Editor
13 December 2004
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Doomar
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Posted - 12/16/2004 : 08:42:17 [Permalink]
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U.S. Rep. Conyers: What have they to hide?
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/WO0412/S00191.htm
Tuesday, 14 December 2004
"...Regardless of who ordered the denial of
this access, such an action appears to violate Ohio law. Later, at the same
office, election observers found the office unlocked, and what appeared to
be locked ballot boxes, unattended. Prior to the withdrawal of access to
the books, observers had found discrepancies in election records, and
possible evidence of minority vote suppression."
Read it all!
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Doomar
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Posted - 12/17/2004 : 17:39:35 [Permalink]
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Ohio Recount Affidavit - Richard Hayes Phillips
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/WO0412/S00167.htm
Monday, 13 December 2004
Press Release:
OHIO RECOUNT
AFFIDAVIT
December 10, 2004
From: http://web.northnet.org/minstrel/supreme.htm
I, RICHARD HAYES PHILLIPS, do swear and affirm the following:
1. I hold a Ph.D. in geomorphology from the University of Oregon. I am
a professional hydrologist and am well versed in standard techniques of
statistical analysis, with special expertise in spotting anomalous data. A
copy of my curriculum vita is attached to this Affidavit as Exhibit A.
.... as seems likely based upon turnout in
other major cities of Ohio, rather than 49.89% as reported, Kerry's margin
of victory in Cleveland has been wrongly reduced by 22,000 votes...
Friends, these statistics are vital for you to read and understand. The methods of fraud are revealed and compelling.
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Doomar
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Posted - 12/18/2004 : 15:39:13 [Permalink]
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"Despite his early concession, Kerry has now issued a letter to election
boards in all 88 Ohio counties asking a series of questions about the vote
count. Thus, charges that Republicans are hiding an outright theft have
gained increasing media attention, as have charges that deliberate and
illegal destruction of records has been rampant."
Ohio vote count battles escalate amidst new evidence of potential criminal
activity
http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2004/996
by Bob Fitrakis, Steve Rosenfeld and Harvey Wasserman
December 18, 2004
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Doomar
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Posted - 12/18/2004 : 15:40:31 [Permalink]
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Stolen Election? We Won't Put Up With Another "Florida 2k!"
http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/04/12/con04549.html
December 17, 2004
by Resa Harrison
"Never before in American history have there been as many claims of voting
irregularities and abuses of voter rights as in this past election. While
the mainstream media is full of stories about the fraudulent election in
the Ukraine, once again they have been amazingly silent about the worst
voting failure in our history."
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Doomar
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Posted - 12/18/2004 : 15:45:06 [Permalink]
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Green party leader says GOP donors have voting machine concerns, notes
letter to discourage voters that mirrors Rove tactics
http://www.bluelemur.com/index.php?p=503
Cobb details disenfranchisement tactics, says GOP donors concerned about
voting machines
12/17/2004
By Larisa Alexandrovna | RAW STORY Staff
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beskeptigal
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Posted - 12/18/2004 : 22:29:40 [Permalink]
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Meanwhile, in WA State....
Originally the Republican governor elect won by ~150 votes so a 'machine' recount was ordered. On recount the margin went to 42 votes so the Dems. called for a hand recount. The Reps. cried foul and said they won twice so the Dems. should give up. Also, they said a hand recount would be less accurate. So the hand recount went on because THAT'S WHAT THE LAW SAYS. Now there is one county left, the big Dem. leaning King county where Seattle lies, and the Reps. gained 8 votes in the recount so far.
In the mean time, the Dems. asked the state supreme court to allow rejected ballots to be reviewed in the recount. The court ruled no, stating one could not review accepted ballots so just reviewing rejected ones would not be equal. The ballots in question are absentee and provisional ballots that were disqualified for things like signatures not matching records. The ballot itself is inside an envelope until it is accepted, then it is removed to be counted thus making it impossible to find ballots once removed from the envelopes.
Since when is it unequal to review rejected ballots but not accepted ones? There isn't necessarily going to be an equal chance of error in both directions. There could easily be more ballots erroneously rejected depending on how a signature match was judged. But did the Dem. attorney even attempt to argue that point? No, he seemed to be caught off guard by the judges' question and did not articulate any ideas that the rejection bias meant the rejected ballots were not equal to the accepted ones.
The mismatched signatures have in some cases turned out to be things like the original voter registration was 40 years earlier and the signature no longer matches, or the guy now has Parkinson's and the signature doesn't match.
In the meantime, King county has found almost 800 ballots that were rejected erroneously because they were using signature data entered into a computer but not checking the registrations to see if they hadn't been entered in the computer data. ~800 had valid registrations and signatures but were erroneosly rejected. So the law says the county can correct such errors regardless of timing and recounting processes. King county leaned 60% Dem. so if the ballots in question are counted, the Dem. votes should increase by about 80 which would probably swing the election.
But then the Reps. went to court to claim adding the erroneously discarded ballots was the same as what the court had ruled against already, even though it wasn't the same. The lower court agreed but now it is up to the state supreme court to decide on appeal.
And in the mean time, the folks whose ballots have been erroneously tossed out are showing up in news interviews saying, "It's my vote. I'm a legitimate voter. Of course it should be counted."
While the Rep. spin has been, "The Dems. are going to keep counting until they find enough votes to win", and, "The Dems. are counting illegal votes", and, "The signatures don't match because the ballots are fraudulent".
I am disgusted with the whole thing. The court doesn't care if the votes are valid, just if the procedure was followed. The Reps. are lying that the ballots are fraudulent because the voters are named, locatable, & verifiable. King county screwed up the count and it might change the election outcome.
What has happened to this country's democracy? Since when are election procedures more important than accurate vote counting when the errors are clearly identified and rectifiable? How can the regular Republicans, as opposed to the party leaders, ignore the facts and accept their party's lies? And why does the media not evaluate the evidence instead of trying to give equal coverage to opposing views?
On the Ohio election subject, Kenneth Blackwell (the Ohio election manager who also chaired the Bush re-election effort), was on the Tavis Smiley show on NPR. Blackwell claimed the shortage of voting machines was not in inner city black neighborhoods only. So, did Tavis call him on it and ask him to name some other counties that didn't have enough machines and were Republican leaning? Disgustingly, no. Tavis just went on the the next speaker who stated the Democratic position that the machine shortages were purposeful.
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