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the_ignored
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Posted - 01/15/2005 :  19:40:09  Show Profile Send the_ignored a Private Message
You'd think I was joking about this, but I'm not.

quote:
Imagine the following scenario. You are at home alone at 8:00 on a Friday night. You are 8 weeks pregnant. All of a sudden, you begin to experience heavy cramping and bleeding. You realize with shock and sadness that you are probably experiencing a miscarriage. You are overwhelmed with grief and surprised by the intensity of physical pain involved. When your partner comes home, you break the sad news to him. Over the next few hours, you suffer pain, cramping, and intermittent bleeding. Exhausted, you finally fall asleep in your partner's arms around 4 AM. You sleep until noon.

Guess what? You just earned yourself up to 12 months in jail and a $2,500 fine. Why? Because you failed to call the cops and report your miscarriage within 12 hours.

True? Not yet. But if Delegate John Cosgrove (R-78) has his way, HB1677 will become law in a few short months, and this scenario will be reality for many women in Virginia. Incredulous? Outraged? Read on below the jump for more information on this odious bill.


quote:
The Bill Itself
Full text of HB1677: When a fetal death occurs without medical attendance, it shall be the woman's responsibility to report the death to the law-enforcement agency in the jurisdiction of which the delivery occurs within 12 hours after the delivery. A violation of this section shall be punishable as a Class 1 misdemeanor.

The Bill: The Most Odious Infringement on the Privacy of Virginia women...ever

Delegate Cosgrove's bill is an outrageous attack on the privacy of Virginia women. Consider this - there is no law mandating that a woman must report a pregnancy to the Commonwealth, or even seek medical treatment for one. But this bill proposes that a woman report a LOSS of a pregnancy to the Commonwealth, whatever the gestational age of the embryo/fetus.

>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
>
> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
>
> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.

What brought that on? this. Original posting here.

Another example of this guy's lunacy here.

the_ignored
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Posted - 01/15/2005 :  20:20:20   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send the_ignored a Private Message
It looks like I may have jumped the gun here.

http://democracyforvirginia.typepad.com/democracy_for_virginia/2005/01/lesgislative_se.html

Cosgrove states he is discussing births not miscarriages, such as women who hide their pregnancies and put their babies in trash cans. He also states he plans to change the wording to make this clear.

>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
>
> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
>
> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.

What brought that on? this. Original posting here.

Another example of this guy's lunacy here.
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the_ignored
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2561 Posts

Posted - 01/15/2005 :  20:29:36   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send the_ignored a Private Message
Dammit, now I don't know what to believe!

http://www.skepticalcommunity.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=4431

>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
>
> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
>
> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.

What brought that on? this. Original posting here.

Another example of this guy's lunacy here.
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Dude
SFN Die Hard

USA
6891 Posts

Posted - 01/15/2005 :  20:43:41   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Dude a Private Message
Hey, the republicans are on a roll.

I want them to keep proposing bills like this.

The more they show their true colors, as opposed to their media-engineered facades, the less likely they will remain in power.


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-- Thomas Jefferson

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The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth
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Dr. Mabuse
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Sweden
9682 Posts

Posted - 01/15/2005 :  20:43:56   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message
This is tragic on many levels.
There shouldn't be a need for this legislation in the first place.

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Ricky
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USA
4907 Posts

Posted - 01/15/2005 :  21:56:14   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Ricky an AOL message Send Ricky a Private Message
quote:
The more they show their true colors, as opposed to their media-engineered facades, the less likely they will remain in power.


I believed this too, Dude, until the last election...

Why continue? Because we must. Because we have the call. Because it is nobler to fight for rationality without winning than to give up in the face of continued defeats. Because whatever true progress humanity makes is through the rationality of the occasional individual and because any one individual we may win for the cause may do more for humanity than a hundred thousand who hug their superstitions to their breast.
- Isaac Asimov
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beskeptigal
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USA
3834 Posts

Posted - 01/15/2005 :  23:29:11   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send beskeptigal a Private Message
Seems pretty stupid. If you put your baby in the trash can, I presume it is already illegal. So unless he's worried one will wait a year or two and then throw the baby out, why would you need a law that says you have to report an out of hospital birth within 12 hours?

Only other thing I can see here, besides a back door anti-abortion action of some kind, would be to stop the person who chooses to not use the medical system at all for their kids.

Well, I guess I should read things more carefully. Looks like it's legislation to have early miscarriages reported as infant deaths instead of miscarriages.

Either that or the guy has no idea a woman who has a miscarriage beyond 12 or so weeks is going to go to the hospital anyway. He probably has some bizarre idea you can flush a 19 week fetus down the toilet and go back to work.
Edited by - beskeptigal on 01/15/2005 23:35:02
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