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Chippewa
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
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 Posted - 11/19/2004 : 22:16:05 [Permalink]
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| Oh, how I hate our fucking President and his administration of Bible-thumping whores and idiots. The great irony is how the government says we're lagging behind in science, and at the same time thinks that giving equal weight to myths about earth is a good thing! |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 11/19/2004 : 22:18:12 [Permalink]
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| That kind of thing gives me a sick feeling everytime I see it. And it seems that it's happening with much more frequency lately. |
Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
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verlch
SFN Regular
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Posted - 11/27/2004 : 14:32:55 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Cuneiformist
Oh, how I hate our fucking President and his administration of Bible-thumping whores and idiots. The great irony is how the government says we're lagging behind in science, and at the same time thinks that giving equal weight to myths about earth is a good thing!
Nobody is stopping you from believing that your daddy is the "Great Ape". Believe that all you want. I believe I was created in the image and glory of God as a man, and that everything I do is for the glory of Him!
I'd rather have small pox than believe in evolution. Your hatred for the gospel is astounding. How can such a small amount of people, that reject creation, bring out the worst in the "Great Ape" community! Nothing but snid comments and hostility, amazing. Evolution is a cop out, and nothing short of it. There are 100 trillion questions left for evolution and the Darwinists to answer in their 160 yr. old riddled theory. Who is promoting such close minded thinking? How is this possilbe that a full 3% of the population would stick to their guns with little or no evidence! |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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verlch
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Posted - 11/27/2004 : 14:34:06 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dude
That kind of thing gives me a sick feeling everytime I see it. And it seems that it's happening with much more frequency lately.
Yeah it gives me such a fuzzy feeling inside to watch Discovery and listen to Darwinism in action. To tell my boy the things he sees are fake and made up in the eyes of men. |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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tkster
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 11/27/2004 : 14:44:40 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
Nobody is stopping you from believing that your daddy is the "Great Ape".
Strawman.
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Believe that all you want. I believe I was created in the image and glory of God as a man, and that everything I do is for the glory of Him!
Except I can prove my theory and you can't prove yours ...
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I'd rather have small pox than believe in evolution.
That can be arranged.
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Your hatred for the gospel is astounding.
What? I don't HATE the gospel, I just don't think there's any truth to it.
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How can such a small amount of people, that reject creation, bring out the worst in the "Great Ape" community! Nothing but snid comments and hostility, amazing.
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Evolution is a cop out,
As opposed to the "God did it!" hypothesis. 
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There are 100 trillion questions left for evolution and the Darwinists to answer in their 160 yr. old riddled theory.
The lack of answers does not mean falsification. There will always be questions, and we will have science to answer for it.
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Who is promoting such close minded thinking? How is this possilbe that a full 3% of the population would stick to their guns with little or no evidence!
Look who's talking!
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What came first the chicken or the egg?
Unfortunately, ignorance.
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How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
How is it that your signature is THIS long?
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I sense censurship!
You mean Censorship.
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I suppose bats evolved and then fossilized themselves!
Think about it ...
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For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
"Spread the gospel to the four corners of the earth ..."
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II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
And it was Himself.
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You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Yes, which is an empirical proof. There is NO empirical proof for God.
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My new book, 'The 100 trillion questions evolution can't answer.'
Written by "Logic Fallacies Gallore"
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Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
Archeoptryx?
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Creationist have 4000 years to find evidence buried in earth, and we find written proof of the House of David, and many others.
And yet 0 evidence for Jesus ... amazing.
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For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"The reason there are so many stupid people is because it's illegal to kill them." ~ John Wayne |
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verlch
SFN Regular
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Posted - 11/27/2004 : 15:00:46 [Permalink]
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| There is plenty of evidence for Jesuse outside the bible. All kinds of things have been dug up! Its amazing. John the Baptists' tomb was found. Jesus brother James tomb was found. I think you and I should take a trip to the holy land so you can see just how deep our faith is! |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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Chippewa
SFN Regular
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Posted - 11/27/2004 : 15:34:24 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
I believe I was created in the image and glory of God as a man, and that everything I do is for the glory of Him!
Look in the mirror. Any imperfections?
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verlch
I'd rather have small pox than believe in evolution.
Careful what you ask for son. Judging from history, God has a wacky and impersonal sense of humor.
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verlch
Your hatred for the gospel is astounding.
You are confusing the gospel with politics that co-opt the gospel, becoming the new gospel.
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verlch
How can such a small amount of people, that reject creation, bring out the worst in the "Great Ape" community! Nothing but snide comments and hostility, amazing.
Snide is often witty, not hostility. It might evoke hostility in the unenlightened evangelical-political pseudo religious.
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verlch
Evolution is a cop out, and nothing short of it.
It's a theory based on facts. A "cop=out" is more like blind faith based on superstition, you know, like religion for example.
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verlch
There are 100 trillion questions left for evolution and the Darwinists to answer in their 160 yr. old riddled theory.
Yes. And that's what is great about science. As soon as a question gets answered, another pops up.
Of course, religion and philosophy can have unanswered questions too, but the folks who try and answer them run the risk of censorship, punishment, or even burning or crucifixion.
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verlch
Who is promoting such close minded thinking?
Look in the mirror.
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verlch
How is this possible that a full 3% of the population would stick to their guns with little or no evidence!
Religious dogma allows them to live in a dream world where God takes care of everything and they can point fingers and cast blame on the free thinkers, liberals, other religions, (i.e. the "meek") who will inherit the Earth.
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
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Posted - 11/27/2004 : 17:02:05 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
I'd rather have small pox than believe in evolution. Your hatred for the gospel is astounding. How can such a small amount of people, that reject creation, bring out the worst in the "Great Ape" community!
In my country more than 50% of the population reject creationism, but accept the theory of Biological Evolution. |
Dr. Mabuse - "When the going gets tough, the tough get Duct-tape..."
Dr. Mabuse whisper.mp3
"Equivocation is not just a job, for a creationist it's a way of life..." Dr. Mabuse
Support American Troops in Iraq:
Send them unarmed civilians for target practice..
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Ricky
SFN Die Hard
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tkster
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 11/27/2004 : 22:18:33 [Permalink]
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I fail to see the strawman in this. Would you please explain?
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If you interpret "daddy" as strictly litteral instead of meaning "ancestor", then yes it is a strawman. When I originally read it, I thought that meaning was implied.
I took it literal, I mean if verlch takes the Bible that literal I think I should be able to take his statements as such.  |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Posted - 11/27/2004 : 23:13:06 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by tkster
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I fail to see the strawman in this. Would you please explain?
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If you interpret "daddy" as strictly litteral instead of meaning "ancestor", then yes it is a strawman. When I originally read it, I thought that meaning was implied.
I took it literal, I mean if verlch takes the Bible that literal I think I should be able to take his statements as such.
Well, even with a liberal interpretation of the word 'daddy', it's a strawman due to the fact that current evolutionary theory only claims that great apes and humans had a common ancestor, not that we evolved from any of the living ape species, which is implied by the original comment. |
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Why not question something for a change?
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 11/28/2004 : 00:22:23 [Permalink]
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What Dave_W said. The idea that humans "come from apes" is a deliberate misrepresentation, hence a straw-man.
Oh... tk, don't waste your time picking apart the v-man's posts.... it'd be more productive to find a large cement block and whack your head against it repeatedly.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 11/28/2004 : 03:12:39 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
There is plenty of evidence for Jesuse outside the bible. All kinds of things have been dug up! Its amazing. John the Baptists' tomb was found. Jesus brother James tomb was found. I think you and I should take a trip to the holy land so you can see just how deep our faith is!
Verlch, as I and others have shown in a long-ago thread, the inscription on James ossuary was a fraud, the 'brother of jesus' part counterfit. And at my last reading, some time ago, I'll admit, the cave in question might or might not have sheltered Johnny the Bap. Let us not jump to conclusions lest they lead down a hole.
I am perfectly willing to accept the probable existance of a rabbi named Jesus. Most likely, there were quite a few of them as the name was not uncommon in that age and place. I am further willing to accept that this rabbi had a handful of loyal diciples and a pretty good following of the populace -- all of this can be seen in modern-day cults such as ICR and AiG. Also, I think that it is certainly possible that this rabbi, who people listened to, pissed the authorities off enough that they hauled him into court with the storied results, more or less.
What I do not accept is the 'Son of God sent to save everybody by dying for everybody,' tripe.
So where does that leave us? Why, it leaves us back where we started; Jesus and J the B existed -- so what? We have yet to prove the existance of God(s) and until we do, the whole thing is just another fable-turned-to-ledgend.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
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tkster
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 11/28/2004 : 10:21:27 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by DudeOh... tk, don't waste your time picking apart the v-man's posts.... it'd be more productive to find a large cement block and whack your head against it repeatedly.
You're probably right. We have these same type of people at Live Wire. Usually about six of us just flame them and they leave. Doesn't look like that's going to happen here.
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tomk80
SFN Regular
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Posted - 11/28/2004 : 15:19:41 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dude
What Dave_W said. The idea that humans "come from apes" is a deliberate misrepresentation, hence a straw-man.
Oh... tk, don't waste your time picking apart the v-man's posts.... it'd be more productive to find a large cement block and whack your head against it repeatedly.
And of course take pictures of the result and show them to us |
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`Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, `if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic.'
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