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filthy
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 Posted - 12/19/2004 : 17:53:53 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Storm
Other than you not agreeing with this person let us talk more of this energy he describes. Do we have the ability to affect peoples wills without speaking? Using just our minds? The force be with you Luke? Very interestisng Grasshopper?
If energy is too small to see {ricky} then it must have a size? Even if it is a small tiny size.{filthy}
One thing I never said was that I was for or against this sight. I am just surfing doing research.
No pond Water for me...
I admit that what I know about quantum physics will fit in a hollow tooth with room to rattle around, but why does energy have to have a size?
Some energy does indeed have a size, of sorts. When I bolt a cylinder head to my motorcycle engine, I do it to a certain number of foot-pounds, torque. But the energy you are speaking of is not measureable with a torque wrench nor any other means that I am aware of.
I think that you have unknowingly scratched the surface of a vast field of study that litterly boggles the mind. What measure can be used for the energy of a star? It's huge, but how huge? Or, relitive to the rest of the universe, how tiny?
I think the site you put up is little more than an informertial for another nonsense book. If you have further information on it, please elaborate.
Pond water ain't all that bad. Often it has some very interesting flavors as well as some meat in it. The down side is that it tends to clean out the intestinal tract, excessivly. And now and then, it will mess with your head. 
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ktesibios
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Posted - 12/19/2004 : 22:09:42 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Ricky
We spent a few bio periods looking to see what we could find in pond water. Trust me, don't listen to filthy .
Damn straight! Pond water was enough to keep us peering through microscopes for a few weeks back in high school bio.
Oh, and Filthy- pound-feet of torque are definitely not the same thing as foot-pounds of energy. It's the damned Imperial measurement scheme- makes it hard to keep track of whether a unit is for weight, mass, force, energy or doughnuts.
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Dude
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Posted - 12/19/2004 : 22:42:56 [Permalink]
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No pond Water for me...
The fact that you can't see that site as the nonsense it is indicates something about you. I was just being polite by suggesting that your inability to think critically about claims made has an external source (i.e. pond water).
If you want to "do some surfing and research" then I reccoment you go to google and type in CRITICAL THINKING. You won't regret it.
But I know you won't.... so I'll link a couple of very educational sites here for you.
Click this one first. On the LEFT side of the page there is a hypertext link labeled Critical Thinking. Please click and study.
http://skepdic.com/
On this next one, click the "About Crititcal Thinking" tab.
http://www.criticalthinking.org/
Then, learn more about fallacious reasoning.
http://www.fallacyfiles.org/
http://www.cuyamaca.net/bruce.thompson/Fallacies/index.asp
And then on to some research about Scientific Thinking.
(I just found this little article today, oddly I have never noticed it before when doing a google search for "scientific thinking", It's a very nice intro to scientific thinking.)
http://www.carleton.ca/~tpatters/teaching/climatechange/sciencemethod.html
And for a nice bit on the basic use of logic:
http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html
Hope that helps you learn a little more about what most people here are talking about when we say stuff like "please support your assertions" or "that is a <insert name here> fallacy".
I doubt that you will bother, but maybe somebody lurking around will learn something that helps them.
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filthy
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Posted - 12/20/2004 : 00:53:42 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by ktesibios
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Originally posted by Ricky
We spent a few bio periods looking to see what we could find in pond water. Trust me, don't listen to filthy .
Damn straight! Pond water was enough to keep us peering through microscopes for a few weeks back in high school bio.
Oh, and Filthy- pound-feet of torque are definitely not the same thing as foot-pounds of energy. It's the damned Imperial measurement scheme- makes it hard to keep track of whether a unit is for weight, mass, force, energy or doughnuts.
Best to go SI. It's much less confusing.
Like I said, it has some meat in it.
Perhaps, but I might argue that energy was required to wind the head bolts up to the required torque and energy remains because those bolts are going to keep pressure on the head and cylinder, even when the engine is at rest. In short, I am speaking of energy as I think Storm and Whosis that wrote the screed think of it: very loosely. Of course, the energy represented by my torque wrench and the hammer that mangled my thumb is mechanical.
I am too old a dog to learn new tricks. Or too lazy, anyway. 
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Siberia
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Posted - 12/20/2004 : 06:43:03 [Permalink]
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Uhh... Storm, you're doing your research on energy. But you're doing it at the wrong places.
Those guys have no notion of what energy is, whatsoever. They're using poor energy as they use entropy: a catch-all term that's pretty good looking to give an air of credibility. Just like that guy from Synchronized Universe has fuzzy ideas about the Theory of Everything, that doesn't exist (yet).
I won't request you to have a full knowledge of Physics; your degrees probably didn't need it, as mine do, and Physics is that fuzzy ground everybody (at least people I know) hates.
For instance, try NASA's site. They've a great educational center. |
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furshur
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Posted - 12/20/2004 : 07:20:54 [Permalink]
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Other than you not agreeing with this person let us talk more of this energy he describes.
??? Ignore that this is bullshit and lets have fun discussing it anyway? I haven't done that since I was stoned and 18 years old. No thanks...
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If energy is too small to see {ricky} then it must have a size?
Nice use of logic there.
When heat (energy) is put into a material the average translational energy of the molecules increases. That is to say the temperature increases. You can't see the energy you can see the effects.
If I take a rock and carry it up a hill and put it down I have raised it's potential energy.
There is no way to discuss this idiots claim that energy is to small to see.
PLEASE, read a physics book, skip the math if you want but for crissake try to understand the basic idea.
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Kil
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Posted - 12/20/2004 : 08:12:02 [Permalink]
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Dude:
But I know you won't.... so I'll link a couple of very educational sites here for you.
You might also want to check out our own About Skepticism area. I'm sure Dude just forgot to offer this resource. |
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 12/20/2004 : 08:24:30 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
It's all a big advertisement for a $20 "e-book" (which is only 72 pages). None of the quotes appear to be attributed to anyone but "experts" or "researchers." There are no obvious citations of any research."The essence of this ‘secret,' according to researchers, relies on the scientific truth that if you were to break down everything you see around you, the net result would be a pure, non-physical energy, which can be directed to create what we desire"...
It's a book on the fucking Qaballa. I'm studying it right now for majickal theory for my religion. These are not really physical manifestations but rather producing change within ourselves to help us manifest the results.
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Obviously, the author uses a different meaning for the word 'energy' than would the average physicist.
The word "energy" in this case refers to metaphysical force. (Read as conceptual force which is actually a theological construct.)
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The guy is "connecting the dots" between physics and spiritualism, but neglecting the fact that the word 'energy' has two different meanings in those fields.
I would call this invalidly comingling.
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A non-physical energy, of course, would have no effect upon the physical world (nor would the world have an effect upon it). The reason E=mc2 is that energy is physical.
Indeed, the author has found the key to wealth: get $20 a pop from suckers on the Web.
Or at least the tinkly newage crap wannna-bes.
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And, oddly, the author calls metaphysicists "metaphysicians," which might make one think they've got something to do with the medical field.
Or a subscriber to the George Dubya Bush school of English.
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ljbrs
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Posted - 01/05/2005 : 19:46:06 [Permalink]
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[B]I think this quote pretty much sums up the entire site in my point of view:
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Sorry, just can't stop laughing.[B]
Stuffiness in the pursuit of accuracy in spelling and grammar can be pretty dull. Remember, there are many people here who write and speak foreign languages. They, too, may have great difficulty with English grammar and spelling. Perhaps we would have great difficulty in speaking and writing in their languages.
Remember, the name of this site happens to be "SKEPTIC FRIENDS". There should be much emphasis here on the word "FRIENDS".
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Dave W.
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Posted - 01/05/2005 : 20:03:48 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by ljbrs
Stuffiness in the pursuit of accuracy in spelling and grammar can be pretty dull. Remember, there are many people here who write and speak foreign languages. They, too, may have great difficulty with English grammar and spelling. Perhaps we would have great difficulty in speaking and writing in their languages.
I'm curious as to how you decided that Ricky was laughing his head off over a single missing O, instead of the painfully obvious lapse in scientific knowledge which accompanies the idea that energy is invisible because it is very tiny.
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