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verlch
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I wish I'd been born 1,000 years later, so that I could exist in a world that had evolved out of the need for religion.
I think 1,000 years is an optimistic figure for that...
Why would you fellas care what other people believe in or not? In a thousand years can evoltuion be something that American children can learn about if their parents want them too? Or do they need it shoved down their throats? |
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Siberia
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Posted - 02/06/2005 : 12:46:53 [Permalink]
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| V... there's always been a lot of activity in this planet. This wasn't the first tsunami ever, it won't be the last, either. The Bible itself tells stories of 'kingdom against kingdom' and 'nation against nation', and God himself provoked quite a lot of pestilence... there's nothing new happening now that hasn't before. |
"Why are you afraid of something you're not even sure exists?"
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"People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs."
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verlch
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Posted - 02/06/2005 : 13:01:49 [Permalink]
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None of us are bitching about our lives, verlch. In fact, the person who's complained the most about their life is you-- vitrually every thread you write eventually includes a rant about how the various women in your life have screwed things up for you. Perhaps you need to quit bitching and just accept that your god gets a kick out of sending you liberated women to torture you!
Women in my life screwing things up? I'm not bitching I think its funny that women take the house in divorce and then loose the house several months later due to the fact they can't afford it. If women are so "equal" I shouldn't have lost my house and still owe 140,000 dollars! I pay every month. If women are equal men should have the children 3.5 days a week and NO MONEY should exchange hands. 85% of Independent tax paying women leave and start the divorce in court againts men. Destroying children in the process. If women where treated like the independent beings they claim in to be in the workforce they would not leave if there wasn't a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow! Most men don't want the woman to leave, but they do anyways. Thus weaking the divine marriage between a man and a woman God set up at the foundations of this world! That's I'm never supporting another one of these women. They want life liberty and independence to take mens money in a country that actually can inforce laws to chase men down that don't pay, I want no part of it.
Women can go it alone! Anti depressants can become their new men! There are 3 billion women that don't live in this nation that would marry me and not give me shit inside a marriage. You guys can have all these woman.
Heres what I want and you can pound sand if you don't like it. I'm not a liberal nazi wanting universal health care and God taken out of America. I'm a right wing christian in my beliefs and a traditionalist. I want a woman that can stay home with her children and wants to take care of the home. Will make sure her children, husband and house and taken care of and looked after. She won't let her liberal left wing girlfreinds be allowed any time with her to bash her happiness or her love and affection of her family or her want to stay home with them. She wants no part of being an independent taxpayer and neglecting her family. She has complete faith that her husband will take care of her and look after her like a rooster looks after the hen house!
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What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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verlch
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Posted - 02/06/2005 : 13:04:59 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Siberia
V... there's always been a lot of activity in this planet. This wasn't the first tsunami ever, it won't be the last, either. The Bible itself tells stories of 'kingdom against kingdom' and 'nation against nation', and God himself provoked quite a lot of pestilence... there's nothing new happening now that hasn't before.
This is the birth pangs the bible calls it. The biggest earthquake the world has ever had is yet to come! When the Son of Man touchs His foot on the mount of Olives and splits the mountain the earth will feel an earthqake that will shake the foundations of the world! So whe Christ comes back to earth in all His glory this is the end of human history and death as we know it! |
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Siberia
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Posted - 02/06/2005 : 13:13:19 [Permalink]
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| That's one long birth, then, 'cause that's been happening since the time He actually came down and talked to folks, heh? |
"Why are you afraid of something you're not even sure exists?"
- The Kovenant, Via Negativa
"People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs."
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 02/06/2005 : 13:40:20 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
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Originally posted by Siberia
V... there's always been a lot of activity in this planet. This wasn't the first tsunami ever, it won't be the last, either. The Bible itself tells stories of 'kingdom against kingdom' and 'nation against nation', and God himself provoked quite a lot of pestilence... there's nothing new happening now that hasn't before.
This is the birth pangs the bible calls it. The biggest earthquake the world has ever had is yet to come! When the Son of Man touchs His foot on the mount of Olives and splits the mountain the earth will feel an earthqake that will shake the foundations of the world! So whe Christ comes back to earth in all His glory this is the end of human history and death as we know it!
Yeah, yeah, yeah. We've heard it all before, so many time that it's gone beyond redundant. If the Great Ravening Homicide Fiend in the sky is gonna do it, why doesn't He get off his ass and get it done? Slow as He is, I wouldn't hirs Him to sweep the floor.
By the way, 'liberal nazi' is such a contradiction in terms that I'll be chuckling over it all evening. 
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jimrobb
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Posted - 02/06/2005 : 20:43:37 [Permalink]
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| I have hung around Christians all my going-on-five-decades life. I have sometimes heard the charge that believers, or some believers, blame natural disasters on God's active wrath. Moreover, I read here that some Christians express something like satisfaction that God has acted through disasters, presumably to remove bad people from the earth. Now, if true, this is a serious charge. But never in my life have I ever heard a believer express anything but sorrow over diasters. They blame it on natural law, not God's active will. One further point. Christian believers have sent a great deal of money to aid the (mostly) Muslims who survive the waters. My own congregation raised $25,000 for Tsunami relief three weeks ago. Nobody was in the least bit smug. Instead, there was a strong sense of heavyness. |
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Paulos23
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Posted - 02/06/2005 : 23:27:03 [Permalink]
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I have hung around Christians all my going-on-five-decades life. I have sometimes heard the charge that believers, or some believers, blame natural disasters on God's active wrath. Moreover, I read here that some Christians express something like satisfaction that God has acted through disasters, presumably to remove bad people from the earth. Now, if true, this is a serious charge.
Yes is it a serious charge, and it is a charge that I will happly bring against religous fanadics likes the ones on RR. I recomend you check out the link a few posts back. It is really an eye opener into the mind of some "christians".
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But never in my life have I ever heard a believer express anything but sorrow over diasters. They blame it on natural law, not God's active will. One further point. Christian believers have sent a great deal of money to aid the (mostly) Muslims who survive the waters. My own congregation raised $25,000 for Tsunami relief three weeks ago. Nobody was in the least bit smug. Instead, there was a strong sense of heavyness.
I am sure that most christians are like this jimrobb, and it is good to hear the christians you are with are like that. But you have to understand that there are some "christians" that take this way to literally and use it to enforce their fantisy of a "christion" world. The fact that that world had no or little conection with reality doesn't stop them from thinking that. |
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verlch
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Posted - 02/07/2005 : 02:06:20 [Permalink]
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| I'm far from perfect. How about that Super Bowl? That was a good game fellas and ladies huh? I love u guys and no matter how we disagree Filthy if you ever need anything, let me know. Your the best!! I've got your back bro no matter what!!! This has been the best place I can be myself I've ever found!! You all are the best! Someday I hope we can all get together and shoot the stuff! That would be great! All of you are great! I love you all, good night!!!! |
What came first the chicken or the egg?
How do plants exist without bugs in the soil, and bugs in the soil without plants producing oxygen?
There are no atheists in foxholes
Underlying the evolutionary theory is not just the classic "stuff" of science — conclusions arrived at through prolonged observation and experimentation. Evolution is first an atheistic, materialistic world view. In other words, the primary reason for its acceptance has little to do with the evidence for or against it. Evolution is accepted because men are atheists by faith and thus interpret the evidence to cor-respond to their naturalistic philosophy.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. II Timothy 4:3,4
II Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall
send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
You can not see the 'wind', but you can see its effect!!!!
Evolution was caused by genetic mistakes at each stage?
Radical Evolution has 500 million years to find fossils of fictional drawings of (hard core)missing links, yet they find none.
We have not seen such moral darkness since the dark ages, coencides with
teaching evolution in schools. (Moral darkness)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places, EPH 6:12.
"Thus, many scientists embracing naturalism find themselves in the seeming dilemma recently articulated by biochemist Franklin Harold: "We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity [i.e., Darwinian evolution]; but we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical system, only a variety of wishful speculations."
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filthy
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Posted - 02/07/2005 : 03:54:33 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by verlch
I'm far from perfect. How about that Super Bowl? That was a good game fellas and ladies huh? I love u guys and no matter how we disagree Filthy if you ever need anything, let me know. Your the best!! I've got your back bro no matter what!!! This has been the best place I can be myself I've ever found!! You all are the best! Someday I hope we can all get together and shoot the stuff! That would be great! All of you are great! I love you all, good night!!!!
It was indeed a good game. I watched it with the sound muted and Back Porch Music on the stero. That way, I could enjoy the game and the music without some over-paid, talking twit spoiling it by all-but-hystericly stating the obvious.
I miss Howard Cosell. He too, was an over-paid, talking twit but at least he was interesting.
Y'know V, we enjoy you as well. It is rare that someone with your philosophy stays here long. I for one, admire your hard head and would hate to see you leave. You make us do research, and that is always good.
Perhaps some day we'll get to share a pitcher, eh?
In a few minutes, I'm going to get cleaned up (ack!) to spend another dull and uncomfortable morning at the VA hospital. I am going to tell them, "No more surgery!" They will not like that, but I've had enough.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 02/07/2005 : 04:10:53 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by jimrobb
I have hung around Christians all my going-on-five-decades life. I have sometimes heard the charge that believers, or some believers, blame natural disasters on God's active wrath. Moreover, I read here that some Christians express something like satisfaction that God has acted through disasters, presumably to remove bad people from the earth. Now, if true, this is a serious charge. But never in my life have I ever heard a believer express anything but sorrow over diasters. They blame it on natural law, not God's active will. One further point. Christian believers have sent a great deal of money to aid the (mostly) Muslims who survive the waters. My own congregation raised $25,000 for Tsunami relief three weeks ago. Nobody was in the least bit smug. Instead, there was a strong sense of heavyness.
Very few Christians, that I know of anyway, took delight in the results of the tusanmi. But many see it as a sign of the beginning of the so-called End Times. These sometimes get a little 'preachy'.
Many of us here gave what we could through the link on the home page, among other places. Generosity is not confined to the religious, on either end.
As an atheist, I do not care what the beliefs of the victims is/was. All I saw was some people in trouble and that I could do a little to help. Not much perhaps, but something. The churches in my location did the same and more, to their credit.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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Siberia
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Posted - 02/07/2005 : 05:55:16 [Permalink]
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Aw F, good luck! Hope everything goes well at the hospital.
To be honest V, I like you too. You're a darling and an endless source of amusement. A little on the crazy side, but a darling nevertheless. I'm sure that if we got to meet we'd get along just peachy (that is, if you got over my 'liberal feminist nazi' attitude ).
We don't have Superbowl here, but we did have carnival and it was quite fun to watch all the money thrown away in costumes and other shiny cool stuff.
Woo. Guess I'm in a lovin' mood today. |
"Why are you afraid of something you're not even sure exists?"
- The Kovenant, Via Negativa
"People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs."
-- unknown
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jimrobb
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Posted - 02/07/2005 : 20:20:48 [Permalink]
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| A postscript. I maintain a blog for skeptics, like myself, who are nevertheless searching for a reasonable spiritually. And perhaps have found one. It's called www.SkepticsClub.com. Tonight I've posted my first real attempt to tackle the Tsunami catastrophe. It's the top post. Check it out, you who are interested. |
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H. Humbert
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Posted - 02/07/2005 : 21:18:39 [Permalink]
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A postscript. I maintain a blog for skeptics, like myself, who are nevertheless searching for a reasonable spiritually. And perhaps have found one. It's called www.SkepticsClub.com. Tonight I've posted my first real attempt to tackle the Tsunami catastrophe. It's the top post. Check it out, you who are interested.
In your blog you write:
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This is a very hard teaching. Jesus, again, proves himself devoid of sentimentality but far-seeing and wise. Instead of railing at God, he seems to be saying, we would do better to consider our common fate. In other words, things are definitely going to get worse before getting better.
Hmm. But this doesn't address at all why this is our "fate," or why we should just accept it. It also fails to address why we should not hold god accountable to the same standards we hold human murderers. It sounds like you're just suggesting to "buck up and take it like a man." It doesn't explain why we shouldn't rail at god, only that doing so doesn't accomplish anything. I'm sorry, but "it does no good to argue, so just go along with god's inexplicable plan" doesn't seem like a very solid argument to me.
It's akin to "shit happens," which is a fine philosophy is so long as you aren't trying to claim that there is a mastermind orchestrating all this "shit."
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Dude
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Posted - 02/07/2005 : 22:08:43 [Permalink]
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Now, if true, this is a serious charge. But never in my life have I ever heard a believer express anything but sorrow over diasters.
No IF about it. Read this entire thread, click the links.
There are ALOT of these morons out there.
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"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
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