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the_ignored
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Posted - 02/27/2005 :  21:36:17  Show Profile Send the_ignored a Private Message
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Governments and health organizations around the world have spent a huge amount of money on efforts to combat AIDS, with only limited results. I#8217;ve come to believe that medical science is struggling with a higher power. There is no cure for AIDS because God has determined that there should not be one.

I know for me to suggest that AIDS is a judgment from God will send my critics into a frenzy, but like it or not, some type of vengeance is at work. If the good Lord is trying to get people#8217;s attention, at some point, it to would be wise listen to Him.


And stop trying to find a cure? Great, it's a good thing that we never followed this kind of advice back when we were fighting other diseases like Polio or Syphilus, or even the common cold.

If you really want to be entertained, check out the commentary right beneath this one!

>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
>
> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
>
> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.

What brought that on? this. Original posting here.

Another example of this guy's lunacy here.

sweetmiracle
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USA
74 Posts

Posted - 02/27/2005 :  21:55:46   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send sweetmiracle a Private Message
The guy sounds positively thrilled that everyone but him and his little group are to be tortured now and forever...

Remarkable claims require remarkable proof.

-Carl Sagan
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Paulos23
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USA
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Posted - 02/27/2005 :  22:18:52   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Paulos23's Homepage Send Paulos23 a Private Message
I agree sweetmiracle, they think they are the only ones going up. I wouldn't be suprised if the big guy sends them down instead, it would be proff that God has humor. Since I can't prove this, I'll just have to wish for it.

Oh, and welcome to SFN sweetmiracle.

You can go wrong by being too skeptical as readily as by being too trusting. -- Robert A. Heinlein

Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. -- Aldous Huxley
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist

USA
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Posted - 02/27/2005 :  22:32:52   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Cuneiformist a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by the_ignored

quote:
Governments and health organizations around the world have spent a huge amount of money on efforts to combat AIDS, with only limited results. I#8217;ve come to believe that medical science is struggling with a higher power. There is no cure for AIDS because God has determined that there should not be one.

I know for me to suggest that AIDS is a judgment from God will send my critics into a frenzy, but like it or not, some type of vengeance is at work. If the good Lord is trying to get people#8217;s attention, at some point, it to would be wise listen to Him.


What's annoying is that this jerk is doubtless stuck in the mindset that AIDS only kills gays, fornicators and drug-users. What's missed is that it also affects people whom even fundy-Christians would consider innocent-- babies, recipients of blood transfusions (albeit less common now than in the late 80's...), and people-- even good Christians-- who slept with the wrong person (e.g. the woman whose husband has the secret gay/otherwise-sexually-permiscuous lifestyle, gets infected, and then infects her)!


By this person's own logic, other diseases that have thus far escaped cures via modern science should also be considered part of ?Yahweh's wrath: breast cancer for all those evil women out there; lung cancer for hedonistic smokers; colon cancer for people who shit too much (?); brain cancer for stupid people who live too close to electric power lines-- and so on.

There's no cure for massive head trauma and severe internal bleeding, either. Perhaps that's Yahweh's punishment for people who are riding in cars that happen to get in accidents. Fucking godless whores. Serves them right. Rapture Ready, here I come!!!
Edited by - Cuneiformist on 02/28/2005 10:19:23
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard

USA
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Posted - 02/28/2005 :  03:42:49   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send beskeptigal a Private Message
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brain cancer for stupid people who live too close to electric power lines-
You do know this is a myth, right Cune?
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Siberia
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Posted - 02/28/2005 :  03:54:09   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Siberia's Homepage  Send Siberia an AOL message  Send Siberia a Yahoo! Message Send Siberia a Private Message
Of course. We all know God really hates small African children who know no better and were born with AIDS.

"Why are you afraid of something you're not even sure exists?"
- The Kovenant, Via Negativa

"People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs."
-- unknown
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tomk80
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Netherlands
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Posted - 02/28/2005 :  03:55:51   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit tomk80's Homepage Send tomk80 a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by beskeptigal

quote:
brain cancer for stupid people who live too close to electric power lines-
You do know this is a myth, right Cune?


Indeed. The 'powerlines cause cancer' myth are a classical phenomenon in environmental epidemiology. Someone in the neighbourhood gets a disease and goes asking around, and yes, someone else in the same neighborhood also has it. What people don't see however, and what is important, is the ration between sick people and healthy people. When we research this, till now every result has been that cancer-rates around powerlines are not higher than in areas without powerlines.

Tom

`Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, `if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic.'
-Through the Looking Glass by Lewis Caroll-
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tomk80
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Netherlands
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Posted - 02/28/2005 :  03:57:45   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit tomk80's Homepage Send tomk80 a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Siberia

Of course. We all know God really hates small African children who know no better and were born with AIDS.


Which reminds me. I saw a news report yesterday on a mother who had AIDS while pregnant. By treating her with certain medication, HIV was prevented from passing on to the child. Anyone heard more about this?

Tom

`Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, `if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic.'
-Through the Looking Glass by Lewis Caroll-
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sweetmiracle
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USA
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Posted - 02/28/2005 :  10:07:30   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send sweetmiracle a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by tomk80

quote:
Originally posted by Siberia

Of course. We all know God really hates small African children who know no better and were born with AIDS.


Which reminds me. I saw a news report yesterday on a mother who had AIDS while pregnant. By treating her with certain medication, HIV was prevented from passing on to the child. Anyone heard more about this?



Yes. The number of newborns with HIV has gone from a few thousand a year in the US to less than one hundred. In Africa, the rate of transmission has gone from 35% untreated to 5-12 %, depending ohn the drug used.

http://www.avert.org/aids-america.htm
Mother to child transmission (MTCT)

This is one area in which the US has responded very well to the HIV epidemic. The CDC reports that through 2003 there have been a cumulative 8749 cases of AIDS in children under 13 years, which occurred via MTCT, but annual numbers have been continuing to fall in recent years, and in 2003 only 58 children were infected via MTCT. The chance that HIV infection is transmitted from a mother who is HIV+ to her child during pregnancy can be reduced to 2 percent or less if the correct antiretroviral medication is administered. This, of course, means that the mother needs to know that she is HIV+.

http://www.dailystar.com/dailystar/news/62983.php" target="_blank"> br / http://www.dailystar.com/dailystar/news/62983.php

Remarkable claims require remarkable proof.

-Carl Sagan
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist

USA
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Posted - 02/28/2005 :  10:30:02   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Cuneiformist a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by beskeptigal

quote:
brain cancer for stupid people who live too close to electric power lines-
You do know this is a myth, right Cune?



Right. Brain cancer isn't for stupid people. No, I'm aware of the whole power lines/cell phone/whatever theory of brain cancer, but know that the evidence for such claims is slim to none (if they aren't urban legends to begin with!)...
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beskeptigal
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USA
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Posted - 02/28/2005 :  11:24:18   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send beskeptigal a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Cuneiformist

quote:
Originally posted by beskeptigal

quote:
brain cancer for stupid people who live too close to electric power lines-
You do know this is a myth, right Cune?



Right. Brain cancer isn't for stupid people. No, I'm aware of the whole power lines/cell phone/whatever theory of brain cancer, but know that the evidence for such claims is slim to none (if they aren't urban legends to begin with!)...

The power lines were associated with childhood leukemia actually, not brain cancer, but further research showed the preliminary results to be a mere cluster coincidence.

(typo edited)
Edited by - beskeptigal on 03/01/2005 03:55:55
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Dr. Mabuse
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Sweden
9687 Posts

Posted - 02/28/2005 :  17:50:43   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Paulos23

I wouldn't be surprised if the big guy sends them down instead, it would be proff that God has humor. Since I can't prove this, I'll just have to wish for it.
My wish is not for God to wait until then.

I would much more appreciate the irony of him actually contracting HIV through contaminated blood in the hospital, or some other "non-sinful" way.

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Dude
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Posted - 03/01/2005 :  04:31:41   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Dude a Private Message
Yeah, the millions of people who have died in Africa alone are all just being subjected to divine punishment.

The RR posters are more or less subhuman, mean, petty, ignorant, vindictive, evil creatures.

If I ever saw one of them on fire, I'd not stop to piss on them.


Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson

"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin

Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth
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questionit
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Posted - 03/02/2005 :  22:09:12   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send questionit a Private Message

Fire-and-brimstone stuff all over again... and again.... and always.

I swear, I get so disheartened when I continue to see things like this. There are people who really believe that God deals out punishment and blessings...... and it amazes me that they would WANT to wroship something like that.
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filthy
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USA
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Posted - 03/03/2005 :  02:05:36   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
From Ig's link:
quote:
One thing more in the news that makes the discerning sensibility of Bible prophecy students stiffen to alertness has appeared on history's horizon. The reestablishment of the Jewish Sanhedrin adds to the convergence. There must be a Jewish temple on Mt. Moriah. We know this because we are told in 2 Thessalonians that the man of sin, Antichrist, will sit in that end-time temple declaring himself to be God, and demanding worship as God. The Sanhedrin is the religious body that governs the administration of temple worship.

It is wise for Christians to be especially alert at this strange, though exciting time. God has the keys to the vehicle of Bible prophecy, so I am not predicting the current convergence of what clearly appears to be prophetic stage-setting will immediately lead to the “covenant made with death and hell” (Isa. 28: 18). The Lord has many times in the past seemed to put His powerful hand on the quickly spinning global issues and events to slow the march toward that fatal peace-making effort. But, I honestly cannot remember so many things relating to that tribulation-igniting event coming together in such a dramatic way as we have just witnessed.

Before that prophesied covenant is confirmed, or guaranteed, by the world leader out of revived Rome, Jesus will say, “Come up hither!” to His Church. It is time, as never before, for us who belong to Christ to be looking up, while we at the same time go about our Lord's business here on Planet Earth.

Same old, same old.

The Rapture and the Tribulation have been forcast by the religiously hysterical ever since Christ was a carpenter and no doubt, even before The Nazerene was ever heard of. And people have always listened and believed. We cannot, it seems live happily without disaster and horrid catastrophe hanging over our heads, and the natural ones just ain't up to snuff.

Sometimes I think we belong to a species of mindless bufoons. Sometimes I am certain of it. Sapiens indeed!


"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)

"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres


"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude

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