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chaloobi
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Posted - 03/02/2005 :  12:02:15  Show Profile  Send chaloobi a Yahoo! Message Send chaloobi a Private Message
Are any of the regulars in this forum a Bush supporter? My guess is few to none and I think I know why. Do you?

-Chaloobi

Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist

USA
4954 Posts

Posted - 03/02/2005 :  12:33:31   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Cuneiformist a Private Message
Well, Bush supporters tend to be in the evangelical Christian crowd-- a fact which automattically disqualifies them from being skeptics (using the conventional definition of the term).

Bush supporters also tend to beleive the President even though it's been widely documented that his whole administration has engaged in a massive four-year campaign of lies and deceptions to push their agenda. That also tends to disqualify one from the ranks of skeptics.

That said, there are (or at least were) some from the more libertarian side who support(ed) Bush. However, since Bush has time and again acted in decidedly anti-libertarian ways (amazingly, he has yet to veto a bill from Congress), I imagine that their support for him over the last 2-3 years has dwindled.

So why do you ask, chaloobi?
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BigPapaSmurf
SFN Die Hard

3192 Posts

Posted - 03/02/2005 :  12:59:30   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send BigPapaSmurf a Private Message
While I generally despise everything he has done and stands for I do respect the hell out of him for actually trying to force through what he truly believes. (Yes I respect UBL for that reason as well)

"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History

"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini
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Siberia
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Brazil
2322 Posts

Posted - 03/02/2005 :  14:03:31   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Siberia's Homepage  Send Siberia an AOL message  Send Siberia a Yahoo! Message Send Siberia a Private Message
Let's just say that if I saw Bush crossing in front of a speeding train, I wouldn't shout for him to stop... oh well, I would. I'm a good person (no, really! I am! Stop laughing!). But he's a bitch.

"Why are you afraid of something you're not even sure exists?"
- The Kovenant, Via Negativa

"People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs."
-- unknown
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Dave W.
Info Junkie

USA
26016 Posts

Posted - 03/02/2005 :  14:25:53   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message
chaloobi, you might remember this old thread. Might be relevant to your question here, at least starting at the linked-to post.

- Dave W. (Private Msg, EMail)
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Why not question something for a change?
Visit Dave's Psoriasis Info, too.
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard

USA
5310 Posts

Posted - 03/02/2005 :  14:42:20   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Gorgo a Private Message
My dogs like bushes.

I know the rent is in arrears
The dog has not been fed in years
It's even worse than it appears
But it's alright-
Jerry Garcia
Robert Hunter



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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard

USA
5310 Posts

Posted - 03/02/2005 :  14:45:31   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Gorgo a Private Message
I don't know any reason people here would support him less than any other President. They're all criminals. They all either are religious or feel they have to put on a show of support for superstitions. They all lie.

I know the rent is in arrears
The dog has not been fed in years
It's even worse than it appears
But it's alright-
Jerry Garcia
Robert Hunter



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filthy
SFN Die Hard

USA
14408 Posts

Posted - 03/02/2005 :  16:57:42   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message

Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all convictions, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.



Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

The Second Coming -- W. B. Yeats


"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)

"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres


"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude

Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,

and Crypto-Communist!

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chaloobi
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1620 Posts

Posted - 03/03/2005 :  08:35:04   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send chaloobi a Yahoo! Message Send chaloobi a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Cuneiformist

Well, Bush supporters tend to be in the evangelical Christian crowd-- a fact which automattically disqualifies them from being skeptics (using the conventional definition of the term).

Bush supporters also tend to beleive the President even though it's been widely documented that his whole administration has engaged in a massive four-year campaign of lies and deceptions to push their agenda. That also tends to disqualify one from the ranks of skeptics.

That said, there are (or at least were) some from the more libertarian side who support(ed) Bush. However, since Bush has time and again acted in decidedly anti-libertarian ways (amazingly, he has yet to veto a bill from Congress), I imagine that their support for him over the last 2-3 years has dwindled.

So why do you ask, chaloobi?

This board appears remarkably single minded when it comes to Bush. So I thought I'd ask to make sure.

-Chaloobi

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chaloobi
SFN Regular

1620 Posts

Posted - 03/03/2005 :  08:38:20   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send chaloobi a Yahoo! Message Send chaloobi a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Dave W.

chaloobi, you might remember this old thread. Might be relevant to your question here, at least starting at the linked-to post.

Thanks for the link. I especially like this part of that post:

quote:
If anything, a "leftie" viewpoint should be expected, as "righties" tend to try to impose restrictions on personal freedoms which don't harm others or society as a whole. The evidence by which conservatives attempt to support reductions or eliminations of such freedoms tends to be slim, non-existant, based upon taste, or even fraudulent.

-Chaloobi

Edited by - chaloobi on 03/03/2005 08:39:15
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard

USA
5310 Posts

Posted - 03/03/2005 :  09:35:36   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Gorgo a Private Message
A "leftie," meaning, what in other countries would be, a far right conservative.

I know the rent is in arrears
The dog has not been fed in years
It's even worse than it appears
But it's alright-
Jerry Garcia
Robert Hunter



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chaloobi
SFN Regular

1620 Posts

Posted - 03/03/2005 :  11:08:42   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send chaloobi a Yahoo! Message Send chaloobi a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Gorgo

A "leftie," meaning, what in other countries would be, a far right conservative.

No, I think he meant left-handed people. All joking aside, what do you mean?

-Chaloobi

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BigPapaSmurf
SFN Die Hard

3192 Posts

Posted - 03/03/2005 :  11:28:50   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send BigPapaSmurf a Private Message
I think hes trying to say that the euro left is on the infrared side of the spectrum whereas the american left is still in the orange.

Which I agree with completely, provided my interpretation is correct of course.

"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History

"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard

USA
5310 Posts

Posted - 03/03/2005 :  12:22:29   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Gorgo a Private Message
That's my impression, but it would probably be wiser of me not to speak for Europeans, I guess.

I know the rent is in arrears
The dog has not been fed in years
It's even worse than it appears
But it's alright-
Jerry Garcia
Robert Hunter



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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend

Sweden
9680 Posts

Posted - 03/03/2005 :  14:33:03   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message
I'm a liberal leftie. I use my left hand for writing, but I do much other things with my right.

Dr. Mabuse - "When the going gets tough, the tough get Duct-tape..."
Dr. Mabuse whisper.mp3

"Equivocation is not just a job, for a creationist it's a way of life..." Dr. Mabuse

Support American Troops in Iraq:
Send them unarmed civilians for target practice..
Collateralmurder.
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Starman
SFN Regular

Sweden
1613 Posts

Posted - 03/04/2005 :  01:29:30   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Starman a Private Message
A bit different over here.

Liberals are considered to be to the right.

What is left and what is right is a bit subjective. I find the words
Conservative - Liberal - Socialist of better value.

I'm a conservative liberal with socialist tendencies. I belive in individual freedom and responsibility as well as cooperation and solidarity (but not of the "someone else than me should pay for this" kind).

Bush is against all these ideas.

"Any religion that makes a form of torture into an icon that they worship seems to me a pretty sick sort of religion quite honestly"
-- Terry Jones
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