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Dave W.
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Posted - 06/30/2006 :  23:12:18   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message
Come on, guys. All this "case history," "14th Amendment" and "prayers to Vishnu" stuff is penny-ante compared to the brilliant argument I'm sure that lifeloss will bring to the table about how the First Amendment and the First Commandment are completely compatible with one another, since the Ten Commandments are the "basis" for our laws.

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filthy
SFN Die Hard

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14408 Posts

Posted - 07/01/2006 :  02:54:20   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
Lessee, the OP said something about The da Vinci Code. I finally finished reading it and frankly, I don't see what all the shoutin's about. Hell, I commit more blasphemy than that when I talk to my cat. I think that all of various church's whining and pissing and moaning over it is no more than sanctimonous wind produced to impress the congregation and enhance the illusion of piety amongst their peers. Pious bullshit is still bullshit regardless of the gilded pulpits it is spewed from.

I found the book a good enough read that I'm looking forward to seeing the flick. I especally liked the historic references, although they're a bit out of my field. I'd need to research them to verify their accuratcy. And it was an excellent mystery, although not nearly in the league of Eco's The Name of the Rose (but then, what is?).

The 10 Commandments, the important parts, have been around long before Moses alledgedly went delusional and conversed with smoldering underbrush. Virtually all societies have and have had them in one form or another dating back, concievably, to H. habilis and probably far beyond. They are merely a common code of conduct without which no society can survive. Even troops of baboons and chimpanzees have codes the group lives by and violations are quickly punished by the Alphas.

So again I ask: what's all the shouting about? Is it, as I suspect nigh to the point of certainty, merely more pious bullshit gibbered forth by loud and ambitious blatherskites who could make a good living as carny, midway barkers, and would serve the community better as such?




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pleco
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Posted - 07/01/2006 :  06:44:42   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit pleco's Homepage Send pleco a Private Message
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Hell, I commit more blasphemy than that when I talk to my cat.


That, I would love to hear.

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filthy
SFN Die Hard

USA
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Posted - 07/01/2006 :  09:59:26   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by pleco

quote:
Hell, I commit more blasphemy than that when I talk to my cat.


That, I would love to hear.

Spend a week with my evil, little cat, and you'll aquire the knack yourself.....




"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)

"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres


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Dude
SFN Die Hard

USA
6891 Posts

Posted - 07/02/2006 :  15:38:13   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Dude a Private Message
lifeloss said:
quote:
Just because liberal activist justices made a decision 130 years ago


You are an absolute moron.


Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson

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The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth
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HalfMooner
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Philippines
15831 Posts

Posted - 07/02/2006 :  19:29:38   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message
Has lifeloss' sojourn among the infidels ended? Have we treated his thoughts so roughly that he has decided we cannot be members of the Elect, and are thus unworthy of his further evangelism? Was this just another hit-and-run attack?


Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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Ricky
SFN Die Hard

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Posted - 07/02/2006 :  19:54:58   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Ricky an AOL message Send Ricky a Private Message
It's been 2 days since his last post. I wouldn't count him out just yet.

Why continue? Because we must. Because we have the call. Because it is nobler to fight for rationality without winning than to give up in the face of continued defeats. Because whatever true progress humanity makes is through the rationality of the occasional individual and because any one individual we may win for the cause may do more for humanity than a hundred thousand who hug their superstitions to their breast.
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Dave W.
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Posted - 07/02/2006 :  19:55:26   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by HalfMooner

Has lifeloss' sojourn among the infidels ended?
I can tell you that the last time he actually logged on was on June 30th. Other than that, you're free to guess.

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moakley
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USA
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Posted - 07/05/2006 :  19:29:58   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send moakley a Private Message
Yes, I know lifeloss has run, but...

quote:
Originally posted by lifeloss

To Moakley:
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Get a grip lifeloss it may not use those words as such, but it was succintly paraphrase as such by Thomas Jefferson.


Just a small amount of research here would have kept you from posting this reply, Moakley. January 1st letter to the Danbury Baptist convention, Danbury, Connecticut. Jefferson was speaking about a one-way wall where government had no say in church matters and could not affect their practiced faith yet it did not block the church from teaching these principles. It was to keep the government out of church but make sure Christian principles always stayed in government.

You are speaking of a theocracy, Jefferson was not. It is a acknowledgement that religion and government operate best when they are independent of one another. The fallacy of your christian nation argument have been pointed out several times.
quote:
Originally posted by lifeloss

Jefferson was using an analogy from one of the convention's own pastors.

Should I just take your word for it or can you provide a reference.
quote:
Originally posted by lifeloss

Putting that aside, who says that a letter to a church can be taken to convey the meaning of the constitution? Is it a state paper?

Don't you even pay attention to yourself. You argued that "IT DOESN'T SAY SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE!!" and I merely pointed out where the phrase originated.
quote:
The phrase "separation of church and state" does not appear in the Constitution, but rather is derived from a letter written by Thomas Jefferson to a group identifying themselves as the Danbury Baptists. In that letter, Jefferson referred to a "wall of separation between church and state."



quote:
Originally posted by lifeloss

In that case, all the evangelical founding fathers wrote countless letters about their faith and the need for God in our society. Doesn't this prove, according to your line of thinking, that the constitution should be interpreted with a Christian view? Their intent is Christian at its core isn't it? A single personal document doesn't qualify to interpret the constitution.

Pointless nonsense.

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Philosophy is questions that may never be answered. Religion is answers that may never be questioned. -Anonymous
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