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Kilik
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woolytoad
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Dave W.
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Posted - 04/07/2005 : 17:06:43 [Permalink]
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This is a mixed bag of garbage. Do any of the three links you provided offer evidence of your claims about the "formation of the universe?" Doesn't look that way to me.
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Kilik
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Posted - 04/07/2005 : 17:21:08 [Permalink]
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"The Tree of Life is a mandala worthy of deep contemplation. Its ten spheres, and 22 links reveal a most comprehensive diagram of the levels of reality. Like the Tetragrammaton, the Tree of Life is both a map of the unfolding creation and a diagram of human development. Its detail allows a great flexibility in definition, so that the concepts of other metaphysical cosmologies can be cross-corelated with each other across the Tree of Life. For example, astrology, numerology, yoga chakras, and the hexagrams of the I Ching. It also has parallels with modern particle physics."
http://www.jamesclairlewis.com/pages/metaphysics/tarot.html |
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filthy
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Posted - 04/07/2005 : 17:51:52 [Permalink]
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
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Dave W.
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Posted - 04/07/2005 : 18:14:30 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Kilik
"Its detail allows a great flexibility in definition..."
So much so that you can force it to "mean" anything, and so it means absolutely nothing. Especially in the hands of people who obviously know only enough about particle physics to make tremendously banal statements about it, guaranteed to satisfy the newager seeking solace amongst a host of pleasant-sounding absurdities. |
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Kilik
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Posted - 04/07/2005 : 18:17:13 [Permalink]
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| if somethings real it's real, so it would correlate. I ching shows modern physics is on a good track. |
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H. Humbert
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Posted - 04/07/2005 : 18:18:57 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Kilik
I ching shows modern physics is on a good track.
I'm sure every physicist is relieved by that endorsement.
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"A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true." --Demosthenes
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Dave W.
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Posted - 04/07/2005 : 18:45:33 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Kilik
if somethings real it's real...
Ah, tautologies. Gotta love those, since they can be used to "prove" anything.quote:
...so it would correlate.
If I'm understanding you, you're saying that anything which is "real" will "correlate" with the I Ching. This is only a useful observation if all "unreal" things fail to correlate with the I Ching. Is that converse correct?quote:
I ching shows modern physics is on a good track.
Every attempt which has been made to somehow link Eastern mysticism with quantum physics has demonstrated itself to be a miserable failure at understanding quantum physics. As H. Humbert suggests, this is why high-energy physicists don't make a pratice of throwing hexagrams in order to determine theory or experiment. |
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Kilik
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Posted - 04/07/2005 : 19:01:27 [Permalink]
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Ah, tautologies. Gotta love those, since they can be used to "prove" anything.
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It was an explanation.
[quote]If I'm understanding you, you're saying that anything which is "real" will "correlate" with the I Ching. This is only a useful observation if all "unreal" things fail to correlate with the I Ching. Is that converse correct?[quote/]
NOt sure about that, but basically, if something is true it should correlate to the I ching to a certain dgree. If it's made up out of thin air it wouldn.t, but if it's based on observation and knowledge, then it would.
[quote]Every attempt which has been made to somehow link Eastern mysticism with quantum physics has demonstrated itself to be a miserable failure at understanding quantum physics. As H. Humbert suggests, this is why high-energy physicists don't make a pratice of throwing hexagrams in order to determine theory or experiment.
It's plain to see! look at the wave pattern of the Taiji diagram, coming from Wuji the primordial state. It is seen in planets, moons, stars, genders, orbital patterns in nature, and of course in the microcsmic realm. It's also connected to GOd too.
Also, I ching doesn't have to be used randomly at all. |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 04/07/2005 : 19:30:30 [Permalink]
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Actual discussion. This is good.quote:
Originally posted by KilikIt was an explanation.
Tautologies don't explain anything, either. For example, "Why is the sky blue? Because blue is the color of the sky."quote:
NOt sure about that, but basically, if something is true it should correlate to the I ching to a certain dgree. If it's made up out of thin air it wouldn.t, but if it's based on observation and knowledge, then it would.
Well, if you're not sure, then don't posit it as if it were fact. Correlation with the I Ching would only be a useful "measure" if and only if things which are "true" correlate well with the I Ching, and things which aren't, don't. If there exist made-up stuff which correlates well - "false positives" - then the I Ching is useless as an aid for discovering what's "true," unless we also have a guide to tell us what's a false positive and what's not.
And even if it has no false positives, then the I Ching should correlate very poorly with itself, since as far as I can tell, it was made up out of thin air.quote:
It's plain to see! look at the wave pattern of the Taiji diagram, coming from Wuji the primordial state. It is seen in planets, moons, stars, genders, orbital patterns in nature, and of course in the microcsmic realm. It's also connected to GOd too.
If it's plain to see, then why do I fail to see it in planets, moons, stars, and genders, and only see a hint of it in some galaxies if I ignore the details? And if by "microcsmic" you meant "microscopic," then the "wave pattern" is clearly missing at the sub-atomic scale, from every physical model so far put forward.
And to assert that it's "connected to God," when many of us here see no evidence for the existence of God, is to suggest that the I Ching is giving us all a big false positive.quote:
Also, I ching doesn't have to be used randomly at all.
That simply tells me you've missed the point about the physicists. |
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furshur
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Posted - 04/07/2005 : 19:48:07 [Permalink]
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"The Tree of Life is a mandala worthy of deep contemplation. Its ten spheres, and 22 links reveal a most comprehensive diagram of the levels of reality. Like the Tetragrammaton, the Tree of Life is both a map of the unfolding creation and a diagram of human development. Its detail allows a great flexibility in definition, so that the concepts of other metaphysical cosmologies can be cross-corelated with each other across the Tree of Life. For example, astrology, numerology, yoga chakras, and the hexagrams of the I Ching.
This blather is followed by this rather amazing statement made with zero evidence.
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It also has parallels with modern particle physics."
Delusion is a wonderful thing...
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