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Dave W.
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 Posted - 04/29/2005 : 06:14:00
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See the Sun Sentinel for the whole story."The governor in our state lost the battle in the case of Terri Schiavo... Now he's picking a new battle in which he also has no legal standing." Even better than that:...the fundamental question remains about how a 13-year-old girl became pregnant in the state's care... That question aside, let's assume (for the sake of argument) that Rep. John Stargel is correct, and 13-year-old wards of the State are unable to make a reasonable decision regarding abortions. Which of the following would be the least draconian policy?- Abort all pregnancies in 13-year-old wards,
- Abort no pregnancies, and put the babies up for adoption immediately after birth,
- Abort no pregnancies, and make the 13-year-old mothers keep the babies, or
- Have a family-court judge pick one of the above three in each individual case.
Feel free to add your own ideas.
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
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Posted - 04/29/2005 : 06:51:41 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
See the Sun Sentinel for the whole story."The governor in our state lost the battle in the case of Terri Schiavo... Now he's picking a new battle in which he also has no legal standing." Even better than that:...the fundamental question remains about how a 13-year-old girl became pregnant in the state's care... That question aside, let's assume (for the sake of argument) that Rep. John Stargel is correct, and 13-year-old wards of the State are unable to make a reasonable decision regarding abortions. Which of the following would be the least draconian policy?- Abort all pregnancies in 13-year-old wards,
- Abort no pregnancies, and put the babies up for adoption immediately after birth,
- Abort no pregnancies, and make the 13-year-old mothers keep the babies, or
- Have a family-court judge pick one of the above three in each individual case.
Feel free to add your own ideas.
Least draconian, IMHO, is to abort all pregnancies in 13 year old wards (due to health issues for both mother and child).
Next comes the draconian part. You then find the person who is making these 13 year olds pregnant and nail his testicles to a tree. Then set the tree on fire and give him a hacksaw. To free himself from the burning tree, he does the math.
Should he escape. Hang him. |
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Ricky
SFN Die Hard
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 04/29/2005 : 09:37:41 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Ricky
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Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
Least draconian, IMHO, is to abort all pregnancies in 13 year old wards (due to health issues for both mother and child).
Exactly what medical problems are there? I could understand a larger statistical failure of birth for younger aged women, but are there any actual problems (i.e. things that happen with younger women that don't really happen with older)?
Higher incidence of premature births and related health issues. Higher incidence of high blood pressure and anemia for the mother.
http://www.modimes.org/professionals/681_1159.asp
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Next comes the draconian part. You then find the person who is making these 13 year olds pregnant and nail his testicles to a tree. Then set the tree on fire and give him a hacksaw. To free himself from the burning tree, he does the math.
Should he escape. Hang him.
Remind me to never date your daughter.
Don't worry, I don't have one. 
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 04/29/2005 : 15:11:16 [Permalink]
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Remind me to never date your daughter.
One would hope that you'd not be trying to date anyone's 13y/o daughter! Wait till they are legal :P
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 04/29/2005 : 17:34:34 [Permalink]
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As the father of two daughters and the grandfather of a couple more, I heartly agree with Val.
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woolytoad
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 04/30/2005 : 06:47:02 [Permalink]
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Higher incidence of premature births and related health issues. Higher incidence of high blood pressure and anemia for the mother.
In addition, at such young ages, I believe delivery is also an issue as the girl's hips may not yet have grown enough for a full grown baby to pass through the birth canal. |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 04/30/2005 : 08:13:27 [Permalink]
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Not to mention developemental issues.
13 year olds are not fully grown, and a baby will tend to strip what it needs to grow from the mother. Bone demineralization, etc.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 05/03/2005 : 12:48:57 [Permalink]
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7718218/
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 05/03/2005 : 13:51:13 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dude
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7718218/
All's well that ends well I suppose, although in this case, everybody's a loser, one way or another.
I find it sad that this case was dragged so relentlessly and unnecessarly through the media.
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