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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
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 Posted - 04/30/2005 : 13:10:31
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At the local university spring fair, I notice a booth advocating various secular/non-religious ideas. Later, I tried to find their website but (ironically) came to this one instead. Called "TheRealityCheck.Org" (complete with a little Jesus-cross drawn in place of the 't'), their site says that it is "is a Conservative issue advocacy and information group established to promote and defend conservative social, political and economic principles nationally." OK, so far, so good. But in the next sentence, we also find that it is "a non-partisan, nonprofit, tax-exempt educational foundation under Section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Codes."
Huh? Can some one explain this to me? I'm sure that somehow, the tax code is written so that a group that expressly states that it promotes conservative political and economic pronciples can nonetheless be non-partisan. But that it can blows my mind.
Perhaps someone could explain how this is. Is this a good thing? Obviously (or at least, I hope!) a group that promotes, say, liberal politics can also be considered "non-partisan" and tax-exempt, but that still doesn't mean that it's OK. Or maybe it does. I dunno...
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Edited by - Cuneiformist on 04/30/2005 13:19:40
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
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 Posted - 04/30/2005 : 13:14:16 [Permalink]
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As an little appendix, I thought I'd add that I find it extremely humorous that their campus intitiative, isquote:
designed to provide support services to college and university conservatives facing challenges resulting from the lack of intellectual diversity on campuses throughout the country . . . [and]ensuring that the term “diversity” also includes conservative thought and perspective in the public square, in our media AND on college campuses.
Brilliant! |
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
USA
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Posted - 04/30/2005 : 13:18:54 [Permalink]
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Found out about Section 501(c)(3) (emphasis mine):quote:
The exempt purposes set forth in IRC Section 501(c)(3) are charitable, religious, educational, scientific, literary, testing for public safety, fostering national or international amateur sports competition, and the prevention of cruelty to children or animals. The term charitable is used in its generally accepted legal sense and includes relief of the poor, the distressed, or the underprivileged; advancement of religion; advancement of education or science; erection or maintenance of public buildings, monuments, or works; lessening the burdens of government; lessening of neighborhood tensions; elimination of prejudice and discrimination; defense of human and civil rights secured by law; and combating community deterioration and juvenile delinquency.
Wow! Sorta leaves big-government atheists without a leg to stand on! Or a tax-exempt organization to get the word out. Oh well... |
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Dave W.
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Dave W.
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Posted - 04/30/2005 : 13:25:35 [Permalink]
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| Um, Cune, while increasing the size or scope of the government may not be on the table, there's plenty for athiests to get behind. I can't imagine the JREF having too many issues with the law (it is a 501(c)(3) organization). |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 04/30/2005 : 13:32:26 [Permalink]
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Hah! In this day and age, if you are nonpartisan it means that you haven't been paying attention.
And if this bunch of is nonpartisan, I'm partisan enough to be a Communist. 
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
USA
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Posted - 04/30/2005 : 14:06:43 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Dave W.
Um, Cune, while increasing the size or scope of the government may not be on the table, there's plenty for athiests to get behind. I can't imagine the JREF having too many issues with the law (it is a 501(c)(3) organization).
No, of course. And since JREF is about educating about science, then it easily fits one of the definitions. I just found it interesting that a group that's conservative, Christian, and against "big government" would be tax-exempt without a problem. But one that's atheist and in favor of more government/not cutting government would have to promote themselves in a different way to get the same status. |
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
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Posted - 04/30/2005 : 14:10:36 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Dave W.
They're politically conservative, but not affiliated with any political party.
Right. And that works well with me if there were, say, 5 or 6 or 10 viable parties that their advocacy work would promote. (So no, Constitution Party, you don't count.) But in a country where there are two parties-- one of which is politically conservative-- you are doing work for that party and ONLY that party whether you "belong" to it or not. So I think it stinks! |
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
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Posted - 05/01/2005 : 19:44:14 [Permalink]
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| For those interested, I finally found the site I was looking for: www.au.org. |
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BigPapaSmurf
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 05/03/2005 : 05:01:35 [Permalink]
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I have to take their side on this, I would be labeled as Liberal by pretty much anybody, but that does not mean I endorse the Democrats or that they would endorse my ideals.
Conservative religious democrats do exist... their just goofballs though. |
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 05/03/2005 : 15:43:53 [Permalink]
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quote:
The term charitable is used in its generally accepted legal sense and includes relief of the poor, the distressed, or the underprivileged; advancement of religion; advancement of education or science; erection or maintenance of public buildings, monuments, or works; lessening the burdens of government; lessening of neighborhood tensions; elimination of prejudice and discrimination; defense of human and civil rights secured by law; and combating community deterioration and juvenile delinquency.
My emphasis.
What about religions that creates prejudice and discrimination (against homosexual people). What takes precidence? What about churches with activities that voilate civil rights? |
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pleco
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Posted - 05/04/2005 : 13:56:41 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana,Arial,Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> The term charitable is used in its generally accepted legal sense and includes relief of the poor, the distressed, or the underprivileged; advancement of religion; advancement of education or science; erection or maintenance of public buildings, monuments, or works; lessening the burdens of government; lessening of neighborhood tensions; elimination of prejudice and discrimination; defense of human and civil rights secured by law; and combating community deterioration and juvenile delinquency.
My emphasis.
What about religions that creates prejudice and discrimination (against homosexual people). What takes precidence? What about churches with activities that voilate civil rights?
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Since "advancement of religion" is farther up in the list, it would take precedence, right?  |
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 05/04/2005 : 14:24:26 [Permalink]
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| So where does the second(?) amendment fit into this "advancement of religion"? |
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pleco
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Posted - 05/04/2005 : 14:27:13 [Permalink]
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I think you mean the first admendment - "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."
I don't think the first admendment applies since just making institutions that promote "advancement of religion" a "charity" that doesn't have to pay taxes doesn't establish one. Not that I agree with this per se, but that would be how it is interpreted. |
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