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Dude
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Posted - 05/03/2005 :  16:40:17  Show Profile Send Dude a Private Message
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7231603/

From an NBC telephone poll....

quote:
Which do you think is more likely to actually be the explanation for the origin of human life on earth: evolution or the biblical account of creation? * 0 web responses

RESPONSES WEB NBC POLL

Evolution 0% 33%
Total biblical account of creation 0% 57%
Don't know/none of the above 0% 10%



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pleco
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Posted - 05/03/2005 :  16:47:54   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit pleco's Homepage Send pleco a Private Message
I wonder if some of the people who answered bible account were thinking more that bible-god created homo sapiens as opposed to the literal 6 day account.

Because the creationists seem to have had sucess in framing the argument as evolution = atheism = communism = very bad, which is anathema to a lot of people.

I'm an evolution lovin' atheist, fwiw (but not a communist).

First post, and I really like this site and this forum. Very educational and informative.

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Edited by - pleco on 05/03/2005 16:49:33
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Dave W.
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Posted - 05/03/2005 :  17:07:55   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message
Well, considering how bad the question is (evolution doesn't explain the origin of life), it's nice to see evolution get better than the 20% (or less) it usually does in these sorts of polls.

On the other hand, this poll would have you believe that 57% of the population are strict six-day creationists, when a multitude of other polls have shown them to comprise 45% or so of US citizens (and that figure has held steady for 20+ years).

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filthy
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Posted - 05/03/2005 :  17:23:14   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send filthy a Private Message
Interesting poll. Over all, I think pretty accurate.

Sadly, it shows yet again that not enough people make the effort to inform themselves.

Welcome to SFN, pleco. Looking forward to your input.


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Dude
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Posted - 05/03/2005 :  17:45:20   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Dude a Private Message
quote:
Well, considering how bad the question is (evolution doesn't explain the origin of life)


The question isn't a good one, I agree. But, it does specify "human" life. Not the origin of life overall.

The fact that even 45%, from other polling, believe the biblical account to be true is disturbing to me.

And welcome to the SFN pelco.


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-- Thomas Jefferson

"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin

Hope, n.
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H. Humbert
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Posted - 05/03/2005 :  18:41:42   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send H. Humbert a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Dude
The fact that even 45%, from other polling, believe the biblical account to be true is disturbing to me.
Exactly. That number should hover somewhere around .05%, but 45%????

How is that possible? How is that acceptable? Is there any way not to consider that number a reason for dire alarm?


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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist

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Posted - 05/03/2005 :  18:52:07   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Cuneiformist a Private Message
Actually, the poll is quite revealing. Note some of the other questions:
quote:
Do you think religion is increasing its influence on American life or losing its influence on American life?

RESPONSES
Increasing 40%
Losing 50%
Same 5%
Don't know 5%
Despite that fact that a large majority hold that life's origins on earth are due to a divine being, most people think that religion is losing influence! The power of the right wing media machine is impressive!

And speaking of horrible questions:
quote:
What is your religion?

RESPONSES
Protestant 52%
Catholic 23%
Jewish 2%
Muslim 0%
Other 9%
Not sure/refused 14%
Not even an option for none! The also feature a large series of questions which start "Do your religious beliefs play a major role, a minor role, or no role at all in . . ." again, leaving out-- or at least not being entirely hospitable to atheists!

I plan on writing them (feedback@msnbc.com) to let them know what I think of the flaws in their poll. I encourage the rest of you all to do the same.
Edited by - Cuneiformist on 05/03/2005 18:53:40
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Dude
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Posted - 05/03/2005 :  20:02:06   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Dude a Private Message
quote:
Exactly. That number should hover somewhere around .05%, but 45%????

How is that possible? How is that acceptable? Is there any way not to consider that number a reason for dire alarm?



Learning to think is hard. It is much easier for people to just let their preacher think for them.

Until we can devise a way to convince people to think for themselves, I think this will persist.


Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson

"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin

Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth
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pleco
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Posted - 05/04/2005 :  06:52:44   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit pleco's Homepage Send pleco a Private Message
Thanks all!

As to the topic, did MSNBC put up a margin of error or a geopgraphic representation of where the pollees came from? I am located in the Deep South (imagine a 7 foot tall man smoking cigs since child birth saying that) and those numbers seem a little low to me.

Truly sad stats - but not surprising in the least. And I would not be surprised to see it get worse before it gets better...as those bronze age institutions continue to lose significance in everyday life, they will be held onto more tightly by the faithful - especially given the instability in the economy and world politics.

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Hawks
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Canada
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Posted - 05/08/2005 :  19:12:52   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Hawks's Homepage Send Hawks a Private Message
quote:
...most people think that religion is losing influence!

This is what should happen according to the second law of thermodynamics, after all.

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beskeptigal
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Posted - 05/09/2005 :  09:05:38   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send beskeptigal a Private Message
Weird results tell you the results are not all there. Why would only 6% never pray while 15% are not religious or spiritual?

Choices of a lot, not a lot or none leave the person with almost none trying to figure out if they should mark none or not a lot.

The majority who responded were Christian. That certainly means the results only apply to a fraction of Americans.

I was encouraged by the political answers, though.
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