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Dr. Mabuse
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Sweden
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 Posted - 05/12/2005 : 20:45:51
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Research conducted in Sweden indicates a biological link to male homosexuality: Gay men who are subjected to male pheromones have hypothalamus-reactions similar to women.
http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/abstract/0407998102v1
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These findings show that our brain reacts differently to the two putative pheromones compared with common odors, and suggest a link between sexual orientation and hypothalamic neuronal processes.
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Dude
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Posted - 05/12/2005 : 22:14:08 [Permalink]
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Saw that.
Betting the fundies will either ignore it or just dismiss it because it was done in Sweden where everyone is gay anyway. Just more evidence that Sweden is satan's home on earth.
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Any actual evidence that demonstrates a biological component to sexual orientation/gender identity is not going to be well recieved by our resident political/religious leaders homophobes.
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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Posted - 05/13/2005 : 14:24:34 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dude
Any actual evidence that demonstrates a biological component to sexual orientation/gender identity is not going to be well recieved by our resident political/religious leaders homophobes.
Ain't that the sad truth?
The report in The Local had the researcher saying that even though the number of test subjects were small, the result was conclusive.
It demonstrated a biological component to sexual orientation. And I think it's important to stress that sexual orientation is different from gender assignment.
A homosexual man does not have to be a female mind in a man's body. |
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the_ignored
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Posted - 05/13/2005 : 14:43:40 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Dude
Saw that.
Betting the fundies will either ignore it or just dismiss it because it was done in Sweden where everyone is gay anyway. Just more evidence that Sweden is satan's home on earth.
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Any actual evidence that demonstrates a biological component to sexual orientation/gender identity is not going to be well recieved by our resident political/religious leaders homophobes.
"Not being well recieved is putting it mildly: Check out the posts on this thread. Anyone who argues against them gets smacked down. |
>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
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> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
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> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
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> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.
What brought that on? this. Original posting here.
Another example of this guy's lunacy here. |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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Posted - 05/14/2005 : 01:25:00 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by the_ignored
"Not being well recieved is putting it mildly: Check out the posts on this thread. Anyone who argues against them gets smacked down.
Well, reading through that thread, I suppose that this comment sums it up pretty well:
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I don't think the findings are worthy of note. Homosexuality is a sin. There is no "biological involvement" in someone being gay. Someone is gay because their heart is dark and sick (Jeremiah 17:9). I don't care what research out there says...the Bible is the ultimate source.
Emphasis mine.
Some of them aren't completely dupes, but others are so backwards it's staggering, how they even manage to function in society is a mystery to me. |
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Maverick
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Sweden
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Posted - 05/14/2005 : 03:23:45 [Permalink]
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They do function in the society, and they vote, own guns and raise children. Enough to make anyone optimistic about the future.
One of the most chilling threads on that board was one where one of them heard some train whistle and honestly thought it might be the heavenly trumpets and that the rapture was imminent. For several seconds he/she thought it was the rapture. The actual rapture. That's when I realised that these people actually believe that crap. Amazing. Truly amazing. |
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Ricky
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
9687 Posts |
Posted - 05/14/2005 : 15:43:25 [Permalink]
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| Amish are more Christian than most fools at Rapture Ready. |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Posted - 05/14/2005 : 19:18:32 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dude
Any actual evidence that demonstrates a biological component to sexual orientation/gender identity is not going to be well recieved by our resident political/religious leaders homophobes.
Sure it will be well-received... just secretly.
Someday, the question "how many politicians who sponsored anti-gay legislation were themselves gay?" will be answered. Former Washington State Senate Leader Jim West is the most recent positive example. |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 05/16/2005 : 12:18:21 [Permalink]
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Someday, the question "how many politicians who sponsored anti-gay legislation were themselves gay?" will be answered. Former Washington State Senate Leader Jim West is the most recent positive example.
I still want to know who Jeff Gannon was seeing during his after hours visits at the Whitehouse. You KNOW the guy had to have a friend or two in high places to get into the Whitehouse with a fake name.
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Giltwist
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 06/15/2005 : 19:08:05 [Permalink]
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| Still, I don't think homosexuality is a purely genetic condition. I would agree that there is a certain genetic proneness to it, but there can be emotional reasons for becoming homosexual too. Some of the lesbians I know seem to be as such because of successive BAD relationships with men. Just got sick of men but didn't want to be lonely sort of thing. |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 06/15/2005 : 19:51:38 [Permalink]
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There is statistical evidence that suggests homosexuality is heritable, and the OP of this thread is describing evidence that suggests the brain has gender and it doesn't always have the same gender as the rest of the body.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
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Giltwist
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 06/15/2005 : 20:13:23 [Permalink]
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| Right. I'll agree, but surely you wouldn't say that everyone who is homosexual has that condition? Isn't that falling into the same catagory as the whole false memory syndrome thing? |
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Dude
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Posted - 06/15/2005 : 23:01:48 [Permalink]
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I'll agree, but surely you wouldn't say that everyone who is homosexual has that condition? Isn't that falling into the same catagory as the whole false memory syndrome thing?
Structural and biological differences don't (as far as I know) have anything to do with false memory.
But yes, I don't think every homosexual person demostrates opposite gender brains. Its probably mush more complicated than any single (or even handfull) of causes.
My statement was meant to say only that there is growing evidence that homosexuality is, to some extent, biological.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth |
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bloody_peasant
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 06/16/2005 : 05:18:33 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Giltwist
Still, I don't think homosexuality is a purely genetic condition. I would agree that there is a certain genetic proneness to it, but there can be emotional reasons for becoming homosexual too. Some of the lesbians I know seem to be as such because of successive BAD relationships with men. Just got sick of men but didn't want to be lonely sort of thing.
All complex behavioral traits that I am aware of, have both a genetic and environmental influence. Environmental influences include everything from the time of conception to the present that has ever affected the individual. Thus the phenotype of any such trait for any individual is a mixture of genetic and environmental effects. The whole nature vs. nature debate isn't whether its all nature or all nuture, but to what degree is it nature and what degree is it nuture. Nature being genetic and nuture being environmental. |
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