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Dave W.
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Posted - 05/25/2005 :  22:26:28  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message
Thanks to Ricky for offering this link in chat for us computer geeks.

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the_ignored
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Posted - 05/25/2005 :  23:29:00   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send the_ignored a Private Message
Well, I've done some Visual Basic a while back, so I can see the truth to this one:

quote:
Visual Basic
You'll shoot yourself in the foot, but you'll have so much fun doing it that you won't care.

>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
>
> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
>
> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.

What brought that on? this. Original posting here.

Another example of this guy's lunacy here.
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bloody_peasant
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Posted - 05/26/2005 :  05:22:30   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send bloody_peasant a Yahoo! Message Send bloody_peasant a Private Message
Ahh come on nothing for Java >:-D
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Ricky
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Posted - 05/26/2005 :  09:03:33   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Ricky an AOL message Send Ricky a Private Message
Here is the list I was looking for last night but couldn't find:

http://noncorporeal.com/people/pathfinder/shoot_yourself_in_the_foot.html

It's just about the same thing, except with more languages.

Why continue? Because we must. Because we have the call. Because it is nobler to fight for rationality without winning than to give up in the face of continued defeats. Because whatever true progress humanity makes is through the rationality of the occasional individual and because any one individual we may win for the cause may do more for humanity than a hundred thousand who hug their superstitions to their breast.
- Isaac Asimov
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Siberia
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Posted - 05/28/2005 :  10:34:23   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Siberia's Homepage  Send Siberia an AOL message  Send Siberia a Yahoo! Message Send Siberia a Private Message
quote:
C
You shoot yourself in the foot.

And instantly start crying and trying to rip your eyes out while at it, with your bare hands and sharp, pointy nails.

"Why are you afraid of something you're not even sure exists?"
- The Kovenant, Via Negativa

"People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs."
-- unknown
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Dave W.
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Posted - 05/28/2005 :  11:36:47   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message
A wise man once said, Siberia, that C combines the power of assembly language with the legibility of assembly language.

That was, of course, years before the introduction of PERL, a language in which if you leave your own code alone for two months, you'll have to reverse engineer it to figure out just what the hell you were thinking when you wrote it. PERL is now known as the world's most-used "write only" programming language.

Of course, worse languanges abound. Take brainf*ck, for example. And I've learned that someone has implemented an idea I had long ago. Hey, there's even a language out there with a single instruction (subtract and branch if negative) with which useful programs have been developed.

I once wrote an interpreter for a language called BEZ (named for its only conditional instruction - Branch if Equal to Zero), which was rather amusing. The language had no inherent way to call subroutines, but I actually wrote code with it to build and maintain a stack (luckily, you could branch unconditionally to addresses inside registers).

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Ricky
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Posted - 05/28/2005 :  11:46:28   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Ricky an AOL message Send Ricky a Private Message
Whitespace:

Pick up      .  Shoot       with      .


Edit:

quote:
And I've learned that someone has implemented an idea I had long ago.


Exactly how much alcohol and/or drugs did it take to get that idea?

Why continue? Because we must. Because we have the call. Because it is nobler to fight for rationality without winning than to give up in the face of continued defeats. Because whatever true progress humanity makes is through the rationality of the occasional individual and because any one individual we may win for the cause may do more for humanity than a hundred thousand who hug their superstitions to their breast.
- Isaac Asimov
Edited by - Ricky on 05/28/2005 12:00:51
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Dave W.
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Posted - 05/28/2005 :  12:16:33   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Ricky

Exactly how much alcohol and/or drugs did it take to get that idea?
None at all. I was posting on the SDMB about BEZ and other obscufatory languages, and simply asked myself what would be the most-difficult language to use. The answer quickly hit me: one in which the keywords, at least, are invisible. And that's all mine did, was make the keywords whitespace, whereas user-defined stuff was typed normally (per your example, "       gun        foot        gun"). The link I provided earlier has everything invisible, though, which is an added bonus to impossibility of maintenance.

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Siberia
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Posted - 05/28/2005 :  13:09:16   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Siberia's Homepage  Send Siberia an AOL message  Send Siberia a Yahoo! Message Send Siberia a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Dave W.

A wise man once said, Siberia, that C combines the power of assembly language with the legibility of assembly language.


And I still love the little b*tch. Guess I've masochist tendencies...

"Why are you afraid of something you're not even sure exists?"
- The Kovenant, Via Negativa

"People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs."
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Dave W.
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Posted - 05/28/2005 :  13:25:13   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message
Yeah, well, me too. I'm busy using C to write an interpreter for a whole 'nother language these days. Lotta fun.

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Siberia
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Posted - 05/28/2005 :  13:46:48   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Siberia's Homepage  Send Siberia an AOL message  Send Siberia a Yahoo! Message Send Siberia a Private Message
Indeed! I've yet to put my lil fingers on C. My old compiler won't work on Windows XP

"Why are you afraid of something you're not even sure exists?"
- The Kovenant, Via Negativa

"People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs."
-- unknown
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Dave W.
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Posted - 05/28/2005 :  19:28:56   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message
Visual C++ 5.0 (a very old version, probably available for pennies) works fine under XP. I know because that's what I'm using here at home.

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Siberia
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Posted - 05/29/2005 :  06:30:32   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Siberia's Homepage  Send Siberia an AOL message  Send Siberia a Yahoo! Message Send Siberia a Private Message
I shall try it. I need my C.
I've got Eclipse, which compiles basically anything, but it's messing up with my pointers

"Why are you afraid of something you're not even sure exists?"
- The Kovenant, Via Negativa

"People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs."
-- unknown
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Ricky
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Posted - 05/29/2005 :  06:39:55   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Ricky an AOL message Send Ricky a Private Message
Eclipse: good for Java, bad for C++. What do you mean its messing up your pointers?

Why continue? Because we must. Because we have the call. Because it is nobler to fight for rationality without winning than to give up in the face of continued defeats. Because whatever true progress humanity makes is through the rationality of the occasional individual and because any one individual we may win for the cause may do more for humanity than a hundred thousand who hug their superstitions to their breast.
- Isaac Asimov
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woolytoad
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Posted - 05/29/2005 :  19:50:38   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send woolytoad a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Dave W.

And I've learned that someone has implemented an idea I had long ago.



Wow, the whitespace interpreter is written in Haskell, which itself is interpreted (there was a compiler being worked on last time I used Haskell though).
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Dave W.
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Posted - 05/29/2005 :  21:56:24   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message
Well, I've written an interpreter in Java, which is - technically speaking - interpreted. And surprisingly enough [sarcasm], the more I work on the interpreter I'm messing with now, the more it looks like Java. More focused on its particular task (simple games under Windows), but through this process I think I'm discovering why the Java developers made the design choices they did. And that, if nothing else, is making this effort worthwhile.

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