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HYBRID
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 Posted - 07/12/2005 : 12:00:18 [Permalink]
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Why are there no alternatives to creation AND evolution?
Without data to support a creation model, it is not much of an alternative.
Would you expect the 'creator' of every or any species to explain to the created why they were created? Do scientists tell the clones why they were cloned and that they are cloned or made in a laboratory? Do scientists tell the lab rats or apes why they are there? If you were created, the creator is much more advanced. An explanation might not be understood, or therefore able to comprehend.
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Intervention. Many others.
Is this based upon your personal reality or can you define intervention (that we can agree on) and support it through empirical evidence.
Would you like for me to hold your hand when you cross the street also? Pick up a book, and some that may not support your point of view. I do it all the time.
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BigPapaSmurf
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 07/12/2005 : 12:17:41 [Permalink]
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No I would not expect an explination, however every religion seems to have one, how strange.
And if we could communicate effetivly with lab rats and apes we would be thrilled to do so, and if their comprehension level was adequate Im sure the subject of their imprisonment would come up. |
"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History
"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini |
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HYBRID
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Posted - 07/12/2005 : 12:39:27 [Permalink]
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No I would not expect an explination, however every religion seems to have one, how strange.
I am not religious at all. To me, every religion was created by a priesthood of secret society networks, and can be proven so, to imprison the mind. The same CAN be said about MUCH, not all of science.
And if we could communicate effetivly with lab rats and apes we would be thrilled to do so, and if their comprehension level was adequate Im sure the subject of their imprisonment would come up.
My point exactly! But from your point of view, human beings would be able to understand our creator, if indeed we have one, but what makes you so sure of this? How much more advanced are we than apes and others we experiment on? Therefore, whatever, if this is the case, that has created other things, like us, would be much more advanced as well.It is our own human egocentrism that provokes this kind of thinking.
Go into the woods and kick a bush or tree. There are thousands of insects on it, and to them, they just feel the vibration, and wonder what the hell is going on. One of them might say, there is this giant creature attacking us, and the rest of the smaller bugs who can't see the human might be like, nonesense, because they can't see them. My question is, who is kicking our tree? And on what level.
Creation is alive with life, and infinite. Just because some of us choose to live in a non-infinite cosmos, with limited life, the reality of it is that we do live in an infinite cosmos. |
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Dry_vby
Skeptic Friend
Australia
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Posted - 08/04/2005 : 15:41:04 [Permalink]
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I would still like you to address the question "Who made the aliens".
Some one might well be kicking our tree, but who made the tree, and who made the kicker? |
"I'll go along with the charade
Until I can think my way out.
I know it was all a big joke
Whatever it was about."
Bob Dylan
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