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 Posted - 07/12/2005 : 18:01:10 [Permalink]
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No buddy! When you post on some sites, it regulates the quotes, and I would not have to highlight anything, it does it already. I do this everyday, so please don't question me on it.
The point of the sites were to let you know that space being finite, is not as definite as you think.
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H. Humbert
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Posted - 07/12/2005 : 18:01:13 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by woolytoad
The second pages neither supports nor refutes Hybrids idea, saying that space could be infinite, or it could be finite. We can't really tell yet. Which has always been my understanding.
How can space be infinite if it's only been expanding for the last 14 billion years?
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HYBRID
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Posted - 07/12/2005 : 18:05:11 [Permalink]
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| That, my friend, is just a theory with 0 absolute proof! Anything else? |
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H. Humbert
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Posted - 07/12/2005 : 18:17:58 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by HYBRID
That, my friend, is just a theory with 0 absolute proof! Anything else?
Yes, it is amazing how much of science you've been able to discredit by simple hand-waving. Quite an impressive intellect you have. So you are a student of history, huh? Did you know the holocaust never happened? There is no proof! Next. Did you know Jesus never even existed! There is no proof! Next. World War II? Ha! What a lie perpetrated by the media! What proof do you have besides a few manufactured film reels and doctored news articles. No proof at all, that's what! You are an indoctrinated sheep! Next!
(Gee, I kind of like this. It's so much easier than actually thinking.)
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"A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true." --Demosthenes
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool." --Richard P. Feynman
"Face facts with dignity." --found inside a fortune cookie |
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HYBRID
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Posted - 07/12/2005 : 18:21:09 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by H. Humbert
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Originally posted by HYBRID
That, my friend, is just a theory with 0 absolute proof! Anything else?
Yes, it is amazing how much of science you've been able to discredit by simple hand-waving. Quite an impressive intellect you have. So you are a student of history, huh? Did you know the holocaust never happened? There is no proof! Next. Did you know Jesus never even existed! There is no proof! Next.
World War II? Ha! What a lie perpetrated by the media! What proof do you have besides a few manufactured film reels and doctored news articles. No proof at all, that's what! You are an indoctrinated sheep! Next!
(Gee, I kind of like this. It's so much easier than actually thinking.)
Jesus did not exist. What's your point? I know you like this, and you don't think much. |
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woolytoad
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Posted - 07/12/2005 : 18:23:54 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by H. Humbert
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Originally posted by woolytoad
The second pages neither supports nor refutes Hybrids idea, saying that space could be infinite, or it could be finite. We can't really tell yet. Which has always been my understanding.
How can space be infinite if it's only been expanding for the last 14 billion years?
http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/question.php?number=274
But I don't think you couldn't verify if the universe is infinite or not. Astronomy at the moment uses various types of light to make observations. We can only observe what we see. So say we shot a beam of light out and waited for it to bounce back off the edge of the universe. If it was infinite, it'd never come back, but we'd never know. It could just be insanely huge. I don't think this is something you can actually show. |
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H. Humbert
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Posted - 07/12/2005 : 18:27:37 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by HYBRID
What's your point?
That is incredibly easy, and absolutely meaningless, to make unsupported claims as you have. You have yet to offer a shred of evidence for any of the claims you make on the basis that "You aren't out to change anyone's mind." Well, fine. Go start a live journal or something, as the only one who cares about your opinions is you.
This is a place where you are expected to back up your statements with facts. I know you don't like to be told how to think, but baselessly trashing skeptics and their methods without even attempting to engage in any semblance of a reasoned discourse is simply trolling.
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"A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true." --Demosthenes
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool." --Richard P. Feynman
"Face facts with dignity." --found inside a fortune cookie |
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HYBRID
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Posted - 07/12/2005 : 18:31:35 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by woolytoad
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Originally posted by H. Humbert
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Originally posted by woolytoad
The second pages neither supports nor refutes Hybrids idea, saying that space could be infinite, or it could be finite. We can't really tell yet. Which has always been my understanding.
How can space be infinite if it's only been expanding for the last 14 billion years?
http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/question.php?number=274
But I don't think you couldn't verify if the universe is infinite or not. Astronomy at the moment uses various types of light to make observations. We can only observe what we see. So say we shot a beam of light out and waited for it to bounce back off the edge of the universe. If it was infinite, it'd never come back, but we'd never know. It could just be insanely huge. I don't think this is something you can actually show.
I think that this is something none of us can know at the present time. Way to go! I like that in you, unlike this other guy. |
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H. Humbert
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Posted - 07/12/2005 : 18:34:36 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by woolytoad
http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/question.php?number=274
But I don't think you couldn't verify if the universe is infinite or not. Astronomy at the moment uses various types of light to make observations. We can only observe what we see. So say we shot a beam of light out and waited for it to bounce back off the edge of the universe. If it was infinite, it'd never come back, but we'd never know. It could just be insanely huge. I don't think this is something you can actually show.
How does an infinite Universe fit with the Big Bang theory? I understand space is expanding, but I don't see why that would indicate an infinite Universe, especially one we know had a definite beginning.
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"A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true." --Demosthenes
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool." --Richard P. Feynman
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HYBRID
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Posted - 07/12/2005 : 18:37:03 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by H. Humbert
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Originally posted by HYBRID
What's your point?
That is incredibly easy, and absolutely meaningless, to make unsupported claims as you have. You have yet to offer a shred of evidence for any of the claims you make on the basis that "You aren't out to change anyone's mind." Well, fine. Go start a live journal or something, as the only one who cares about your opinions is you.
This is a place where you are expected to back up your statements with facts. I know you don't like to be told how to think, but baselessly trashing skeptics and their methods without even attempting to engage in any semblance of a reasoned discourse is simply trolling.
You are just annoying. You keep saying I have no proof for my claims, what claims? Other than space is infinite, and none os us will ever know, although it is.I don't have anything to prove to you, or anybody for that matter. If I feel you should be impressed, I will do so, but you sir, are not worth the trouble.
You are right, I should not, even though I don't think I harshly bashed skeptics. THis is just one way of thinking, and mine is another, and there are billions of other ways of thinking. But in the same token, you should respect others as well, and be open minded and don't talk crap about stuff that cannot be proven or disproven and try to say someone is delusonal because you don't like it, and try to build your ego up off of it. How lame is that? |
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HYBRID
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Posted - 07/12/2005 : 18:38:43 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by H. Humbert
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Originally posted by woolytoad
http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/question.php?number=274
But I don't think you couldn't verify if the universe is infinite or not. Astronomy at the moment uses various types of light to make observations. We can only observe what we see. So say we shot a beam of light out and waited for it to bounce back off the edge of the universe. If it was infinite, it'd never come back, but we'd never know. It could just be insanely huge. I don't think this is something you can actually show.
How does an infinite Universe fit with the Big Bang theory? I understand space is expanding, but I don't see why that would indicate an infinite Universe, especially one we know had a definite beginning.
Big bang? Another unprovable theory, which I don't fancy either. Not jugding you for what you think though, so you won't think I a trying to be a certain way. |
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Siberia
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Posted - 07/12/2005 : 18:46:53 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by HYBRID
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Originally posted by H. Humbert
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Originally posted by woolytoad
http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/question.php?number=274
But I don't think you couldn't verify if the universe is infinite or not. Astronomy at the moment uses various types of light to make observations. We can only observe what we see. So say we shot a beam of light out and waited for it to bounce back off the edge of the universe. If it was infinite, it'd never come back, but we'd never know. It could just be insanely huge. I don't think this is something you can actually show.
How does an infinite Universe fit with the Big Bang theory? I understand space is expanding, but I don't see why that would indicate an infinite Universe, especially one we know had a definite beginning.
Big bang? Another unprovable theory, which I don't fancy either. Not jugding you for what you think though, so you won't think I a trying to be a certain way.
Thankfully, your fancying or not fancying something makes absolutely no difference whatsoever in what nature does. Woo. |
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Posted - 07/12/2005 : 18:47:05 [Permalink]
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Ah but "Shorty," I do know you. I've met you a hundred times on these and other fora. I've met you a thousand times in the course of my life and travels. I've listened to you hurl baseless accusations in the media and pontificate upon nonsense in the halls of Congress. Rush Limbaugh speaks with your voice. I know you quite well, thank you.
But, let us try again, just for the hell of it: precisely what portions of the theory of evolutions do you object to and why?
Please try to avoid the temptation to reference new age and religious sites. They are merely more unsupported blather. Just spit it out in your own words.
Again, I reccommend the Logical Fallicies link.
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woolytoad
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Posted - 07/12/2005 : 18:47:09 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by H. Humbert
How does an infinite Universe fit with the Big Bang theory? I understand space is expanding, but I don't see why that would indicate an infinite Universe, especially one we know had a definite beginning.[/quote]
I don't think it does fit in. Perhaps our universe may be finite, but it exists in an infinite 'space'. I was reading an issue of Scientific American about parallel universes. Apparently many practical observations we make actually support the many worlds idea. Apparently many of the statistical calculations they make to determine the distance of a star based on it's brightness/size etc rely on many worlds!
This is why I generally stay away from this stuff. Want me to dig it up and post a separate thread? |
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H. Humbert
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Posted - 07/12/2005 : 18:51:06 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by woolytoad
I don't think it does fit in. Perhaps our universe may be finite, but it exists in an infinite 'space'. I was reading an issue of Scientific American about parallel universes. Apparently many practical observations we make actually support the many worlds idea. Apparently many of the statistical calculations they make to determine the distance of a star based on it's brightness/size etc rely on many worlds!
This is why I generally stay away from this stuff. Want me to dig it up and post a separate thread?
No, that's ok, man. I was only speaking about our Universe anyway. The multi-verse theory isn't something we necessarily need to get into.
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