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the confusion comes in when you try to discover my motives, my position, so you can throw me into a certain category, and say he's one of them.
Dude (not you, Dude), you are SO one of Them.
You don't even know who or what 'them' is. You bandwagon jump, I can tell. Its okay, its safer psychologically to be in the accepted or in-crowd, whether you talk about academics or whatever. |
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Posted - 07/13/2005 : 13:37:37 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by HYBRID
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Originally posted by H. Humbert
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Originally posted by HYBRID
I too can find a website where someone has a point of view, still does not make them wrong, and definitely not right, okay?
How do you decide who is telling the truth?
When your mind decides that it is or it isn't, we create our own reality, first in our minds. If not, nothing could be accepted as fact accept what we are forced to, physically.
So I understand:
You believe that we each create our own reality in our mind. Therefore, the reality that "we" created in which evolution is a sound theory is just as valid as the reality you have created? If so, then what is the point of arguing anything?
Is this correct? Not to go off topic here, but trying to get your frame of reference. |
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Posted - 07/13/2005 : 13:47:19 [Permalink]
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| However, I'm not talking about academics, I'm talking about how you are being a total jerk. If you really came to this forum for a little friendly give-and-take, you have to be the most socially inept person on the planet. All I've seen from you is arrogance, rudeness and vagueness, and it keeps getting worse. You're just stomping on your own dick at this point. |
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Posted - 07/13/2005 : 13:47:41 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by pleco
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Originally posted by HYBRID
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Originally posted by H. Humbert
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Originally posted by HYBRID
I too can find a website where someone has a point of view, still does not make them wrong, and definitely not right, okay?
How do you decide who is telling the truth?
When your mind decides that it is or it isn't, we create our own reality, first in our minds. If not, nothing could be accepted as fact accept what we are forced to, physically.
So I understand:
You believe that we each create our own reality in our mind. Therefore, the reality that "we" created in which evolution is a sound theory is just as valid as the reality you have created? If so, then what is the point of arguing anything?
Is this correct? Not to go off topic here, but trying to get your frame of reference.
Eh, more or less. You can't convince anybody of anything if they don't want to believe or accept it, no matter what you are selling, or what evidence you present. And it works both ways because humans are subjective to their unique individual perspective.We each have a unconscious mind which allows us to ignore things altogether, and only focus on what we choose to be our reality. Or some see it half full, some half empty. Only when we are forced physically, to deal with these things will we. That is part of free will. If we did not have free will, then the world would not be what it is. And I appreciate you for trying to understand where I am coming from. Click! |
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Siberia
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Posted - 07/13/2005 : 13:58:33 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by HYBRID
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Originally posted by pleco
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Originally posted by HYBRID
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Originally posted by H. Humbert
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Originally posted by HYBRID
I too can find a website where someone has a point of view, still does not make them wrong, and definitely not right, okay?
How do you decide who is telling the truth?
When your mind decides that it is or it isn't, we create our own reality, first in our minds. If not, nothing could be accepted as fact accept what we are forced to, physically.
So I understand:
You believe that we each create our own reality in our mind. Therefore, the reality that "we" created in which evolution is a sound theory is just as valid as the reality you have created? If so, then what is the point of arguing anything?
Is this correct? Not to go off topic here, but trying to get your frame of reference.
Eh, more or less. You can't convince anybody of anything if they don't want to believe or accept it, no matter what you are selling, or what evidence you present. And it works both ways because humans are subjective to their unique individual perspective.We each have a unconscious mind which allows us to ignore things altogether, and only focus on what we choose to be our reality. Or some see it half full, some half empty. Only when we are forced physically, to deal with these things will we. That is part of free will. If we did not have free will, then the world would not be what it is. And I appreciate you for trying to understand where I am coming from. Click!
In this I agree. Sad thing that people, for their own cozy little world, have to ignore the most blatant facts.
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H. Humbert
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Posted - 07/13/2005 : 14:03:36 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by HYBRID
When your mind decides that it is or it isn't, we create our own reality, first in our minds. If not, nothing could be accepted as fact accept what we are forced to, physically.
So facts are what ever people want them to be, and truth is whatver people decide for themselves.
I don't agree with that, but if you believe it, why do you care what other people believe? You seem to wish that more and more people believe what you believe, which is that aliens somehow directed human evolution. Why? The evidence we've seen doesn't support that theory. You don't care about evidence since anything found can be spun any way one chooses. You've landing on you're favorite theory not by looking at evidence, but because it agreed with what you already thought.
So following that notion we shouldn't adopt your theory if it does not already follow our own personal lines of thinking. It would be dishonest of me to do so, since I must decide for myself. Nor can you say I am deluded or indoctrinated, since that would mean you have a claim to truth. But you don't have a claim to truth, since you said truth is whatever we decide it to be.
I've decided, for me alone mind you, that your position is incorrect. I hope you will respect my decision and not tell me what to think. I think stories of intelligent aliens visitng Earth are made up and impossible. That idea that they at one time dabbled in human genetics has tons of holes in it. There are dozens of books out there that support my position. I could link them but I know they won't change your mind. And I don't want to tell you how to think. So maybe there is no common ground, as I have thought about these issues for many years and can never impart all of my knowledge to you. You would have to do some research on your own, but you won't accept any of it anyway since you don't want to.
Oh, well. It was a good debate. Too bad without an objective definition of truth we'll never be able to agree on anything. May you have a good life. Good luck on graduating. (You said you've attended 3 colleges. The 3rd one's the charm, you know!)
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Posted - 07/13/2005 : 14:04:40 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Siberia
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Originally posted by HYBRID
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Originally posted by pleco
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Originally posted by HYBRID
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Originally posted by H. Humbert
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Originally posted by HYBRID
I too can find a website where someone has a point of view, still does not make them wrong, and definitely not right, okay?
How do you decide who is telling the truth?
When your mind decides that it is or it isn't, we create our own reality, first in our minds. If not, nothing could be accepted as fact accept what we are forced to, physically.
So I understand:
You believe that we each create our own reality in our mind. Therefore, the reality that "we" created in which evolution is a sound theory is just as valid as the reality you have created? If so, then what is the point of arguing anything?
Is this correct? Not to go off topic here, but trying to get your frame of reference.
Eh, more or less. You can't convince anybody of anything if they don't want to believe or accept it, no matter what you are selling, or what evidence you present. And it works both ways because humans are subjective to their unique individual perspective.We each have a unconscious mind which allows us to ignore things altogether, and only focus on what we choose to be our reality. Or some see it half full, some half empty. Only when we are forced physically, to deal with these things will we. That is part of free will. If we did not have free will, then the world would not be what it is. And I appreciate you for trying to understand where I am coming from. Click!
In this I agree. Sad thing that people, for their own cozy little world, have to ignore the most blatant facts.
However, do you agree the natural world doesn't take in consideration what you do or not believe in?
This has nothing to do with a "theory" of human evolution, because ultimately, that is what it is. And I said, a person will only believe what there mind will allow them, or physically force them to, and it will be forever, if science exists or not. Its called free will. If nature forces you do something, you bet ya you will have to conform. But if not, people will continue to live in whatever reality, they think they live in, or choose to live out.Its all about psychological comfort. |
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Posted - 07/13/2005 : 14:11:44 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by H. Humbert
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Originally posted by HYBRID
When your mind decides that it is or it isn't, we create our own reality, first in our minds. If not, nothing could be accepted as fact accept what we are forced to, physically.
So facts are what ever people want them to be, and truth is whatver people decide for themselves.
I don't agree with that, but if you believe it, why do you care what other people believe? You seem to wish that more and more people believe what you believe, which is that aliens somehow directed human evolution. Why? The evidence we've seen doesn't support that theory. You don't care about evidence since anything found can be spun any way one chooses. You've landing on you're favorite theory not by looking at evidence, but because it agreed with what you already thought.
So following that notion we shouldn't adopt your theory if it does not already follow our own personal lines of thinking. It would be dishonest of me to do so, since I must decide for myself. Nor can you say I am deluded or indoctrinated, since that would mean you have a claim to truth. But you don't have a claim to truth, since you said truth is whatever we decide it to be.
I've decided, for me alone mind you, that your position is incorrect. I hope you will respect my decision and not tell me what to think. I think stories of intelligent aliens visitng Earth are made up and impossible. That idea that they at one time dabbled in human genetics has tons of holes in it. There are dozens of books out there that support my position. I could link them but I know they won't change your mind. And I don't want to tell you how to think. So maybe there is no common ground, as I have thought about these issues for many years and can never impart all of my knowledge to you. You would have to do some research on your own, but you won't accept any of it anyway since you don't want to.
Oh, well. It was a good debate. Too bad without an objective definition of truth we'll never be able to agree on anything. May you have a good life. Good luck on graduating. (You said you've attented 3 colleges. The 3rd one's the charm, you know!)
I did not say any of this. Did i not ask you to ignore me along time ago. I went to three colleges because I moved locations. I can respect you on the basis of what you think/believe/know as fact, but I have not tried to impose anything or any thoughts, I merely questioned some things that we should as fully functioning human beings. Not to be condemmed to think a certain way, no matter who says what, and that goes for me also. |
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filthy
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Posted - 07/13/2005 : 14:27:57 [Permalink]
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Thanks for the sites on giants. I noticed several of the sites had a guy that looked suspiciously like Filthy standing in front of a femur mounted on a drawing of a huge human skeleton. It is from the Mt. Blanco Fossil Museum. Here is some interesting data on this "proof" of giants:
http://www.edwardtbabinski.us/~articles/giants.html
Note if you will the second paragraph...
Drat! My cover is blown! 
I saw it on the site that trumpeted the tired, old guff about the Scientific Conspiricy and the Great Coverup. It also seemed to be an apologetic for the Book of Genesis.
It further claimed that one Samuel Hubbard found two giant skeletons in Arizona. I took the liberty of running a google on Mr. Hubbard and found nothing beyond this and a geneology.
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Scudder, Samuel Hubbard, 1837–1911, American entomologist, b. Boston, grad. Williams (B.A., 1857) and Harvard (B.S., 1862). The founder of American insect paleontology and an authority on Orthoptera and Lepidoptera, he was assistant to Louis Agassiz (1862–64), custodian of the Boston Society of Natural History (1864–70), assistant librarian of Harvard (1879–82), and paleontologist of the U.S. Geological Survey (1886–92). His works include A Century of Orthoptera (1879), Butterflies: Their Structure, Changes, and Life-Histories (1881), and Fossil Insects of North America (1890).
No giant hominid findings were mentioned anywhere; indeed, he is not mentioned in conjunction with any hominid findings, as far as I could tell. The guy was an entomologist and apparently stayed within his field.
Science is at least as competitive as any corporation. Rest assured that any scientist finding such remains would be shouting it from the rooftops in order to beat others to the fame and acclaim, not to mention the grant money.
Amd thus it remains; there is exactly no evidence in support of any 11 foot-plus tall human.
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HYBRID
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Posted - 07/13/2005 : 14:37:16 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by furshur
Thanks for the sites on giants. I noticed several of the sites had a guy that looked suspiciously like Filthy standing in front of a femur mounted on a drawing of a huge human skeleton. It is from the Mt. Blanco Fossil Museum. Here is some interesting data on this "proof" of giants:
http://www.edwardtbabinski.us/~articles/giants.html
Note if you will the second paragraph...
Drat! My cover is blown!
I saw it on the site that trumpeted the tired, old guff about the Scientific Conspiricy and the Great Coverup. It also seemed to be an apologetic for the Book of Genesis.
It further claimed that one Samuel Hubbard found two giant skeletons in Arizona. I took the liberty of running a google on Mr. Hubbard and found nothing beyond this and a geneology.
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Scudder, Samuel Hubbard, 1837–1911, American entomologist, b. Boston, grad. Williams (B.A., 1857) and Harvard (B.S., 1862). The founder of American insect paleontology and an authority on Orthoptera and Lepidoptera, he was assistant to Louis Agassiz (1862–64), custodian of the Boston Society of Natural History (1864–70), assistant librarian of Harvard (1879–82), and paleontologist of the U.S. Geological Survey (1886–92). His works include A Century of Orthoptera (1879), Butterflies: Their Structure, Changes, and Life-Histories (1881), and Fossil Insects of North America (1890).
No giant hominid findings were mentioned anywhere; indeed, he is not mentioned in conjunction with any hominid findings, as far as I could tell. The guy was an entomologist and apparently stayed within his field.
Science is at least as competitive as any corporation. Rest assured that any scientist finding such remains would be shouting it from the rooftops in order to beat others to the fame and acclaim, not to mention the grant money.
Amd thus it remains; there is exactly no evidence in support of any 11 foot-plus tall human.
Guess what, I have books who were written by authors who are not on the internet. But I guess you could not believe that anyway.The bones exist, you are half-ass checking, because I know. Order some books like I and many others before me have.This evidence exists. And giants a worldwide theme, not just the bible but completely independant of it. |
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pleco
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Posted - 07/13/2005 : 14:38:21 [Permalink]
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| Can you state the titles and authors of these books so we can get them? |
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filthy
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Posted - 07/13/2005 : 14:42:56 [Permalink]
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Can you state the titles and authors of these books so we can get them?
My bookshelves sagging now, but I too, would like the titles and authors. And the author's biographies.
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"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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Hawks
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Posted - 07/13/2005 : 14:52:11 [Permalink]
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Guess what, I have books who were written by authors who are not on the internet. But I guess you could not believe that anyway.The bones exist, you are half-ass checking, because I know. Order some books like I and many others before me have.This evidence exists. And giants a worldwide theme, not just the bible but completely independant of it.
If we create our own realities, then what is the need for evidence? Why would you care? The rest of us "believe" in an objective reality, that exists irrespectively of your mind. This is why we require evidence.
I'm sure people have written books about giant prehistoric men, but a book does not necessarily evidence maketh. Where are the bones? Where is the evidence?
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Posted - 07/13/2005 : 15:01:21 [Permalink]
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Guess what, I have books who were written by authors who are not on the internet. But I guess you could not believe that anyway.The bones exist, you are half-ass checking, because I know. Order some books like I and many others before me have.This evidence exists. And giants a worldwide theme, not just the bible but completely independant of it.
If we create our own realities, then what is the need for evidence? Why would you care? The rest of us "believe" in an objective reality, that exists irrespectively of your mind. This is why we require evidence.
I'm sure people have written books about giant prehistoric men, but a book does not necessarily evidence maketh. Where are the bones? Where is the evidence?
Just as people have written about human evolution, does not make it right. the bones exist, lets move on to something else please. You can ignore them (creating your own reality, no matter what the evidence may suggest or not). Evidence of history particularly is very subjective, sorry! |
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