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the_ignored
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Posted - 07/20/2005 :  22:41:35  Show Profile Send the_ignored a Private Message
And I mean, really ticked off!

I know that there are people up here who match the attitude that this guy's complaining about...

From a website of a candian radio show host...

quote:
The Edmonton Sun
Tue 19 Jul 2005
Page: 10
Section: Editorial/Opinion
Column: Letter of the Day

AS AN average American citizen invited to visit Canada for a
wedding, I was at first impressed by your country. However, after
personally witnessing several times in a few short hours your
country's anti-American attitude first-hand and the extremes that
your citizens will go to to show that we Americans are not welcome,
I am forever now an advocate of anything that will harm Canadian
citizens or your economy. I will now purposefully go out of my way
to show my displeasure and my newfound hatred of any Canadians I
encounter in America. It is now my sincere wish that Canada is the
next bombing target of the terrorists and that no less than one
million of your arrogant citizens are instantly murdered.

Steven P. Chaney



So, while I doubt that many of you are as ticked off as this guy seems to be (could be a bad joke!) How many of you think that we are acting kind of arrogant towards you americans?

I know I've ran into some canadians up here who do have an attitude, how many of them have you run into? Also, how many of those people were mad at the States in general, as opposed to just ticked off at Bush?

>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
>
> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
>
> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.

What brought that on? this. Original posting here.

Another example of this guy's lunacy here.

Dr. Mabuse
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Sweden
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Posted - 07/21/2005 :  02:32:29   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message
When presented with the false dichotomy that I'm either For USA or Against USA, I realise that being Against USA provides more choices for me with the rest of the world. Being For USA means I have to back up theocracy-building religiously-intolerant and illogical warmongers.

Damn what a tough choice.
America is a greater threat to World Peace than Iraq was.
Had Steven P(rick). Chaney met me while visiting Sweden I guess he'd hate Sweden as well. However, that would depend much on how he presents himself.

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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 07/21/2005 :  02:35:39   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message
...and don't forget that I know from first hand experience that Skeptic Friends are a great bunch of people, but you're sorely outnumbered by Bush-voting imbeciles.

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TomL_12953
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Posted - 07/21/2005 :  05:12:16   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send TomL_12953 an AOL message  Send TomL_12953 a Yahoo! Message Send TomL_12953 a Private Message
When presented with the false dichotomy that I'm either For USA or Against USA, I realise that being Against USA provides more choices for me with the rest of the world. Being For USA means I have to back up theocracy-building religiously-intolerant and illogical warmongers.


You can be against a country's policies without hating the people who live there.
The government of the USA (or most countries for that matter) doesn't necessarily reflect the views of its citizens.

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Dave W.
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USA
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Posted - 07/21/2005 :  05:51:49   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Dave W.'s Homepage Send Dave W. a Private Message
Ig, I just wish you guys would honor the deal we had in which Canada would come reclaim William Shatner, and take him home.

Sheesh!

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Boron10
Religion Moderator

USA
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Posted - 07/21/2005 :  06:19:11   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Boron10 a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by TomL_12953
You can be against a country's policies without hating the people who live there.
The government of the USA (or most countries for that matter) doesn't necessarily reflect the views of its citizens.
Well spoken. This brings up the following questions:

- Is it the duty of a government to represent the views of its citizens?

- Is Mr. Cheney justified in his opinion of Canadians?

On a personal note, I visited Canada a couple months ago, during Election Season. When people asked me if I was going to vote, I invariably responded with, "I'm a US citizen." I saw no hostility or ill will. In fact, I have been to Canada several times, and have visited British Columbia, Ontario, and Quebec, and have never seen an "anti-American attitude." Perhaps things are different in Alberta, but I highly doubt it. I think this guy's just a fool.

And, since I haven't said it yet, welcome, TomL_12953
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Valiant Dancer
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USA
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Posted - 07/21/2005 :  06:51:44   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Valiant Dancer's Homepage Send Valiant Dancer a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by the_ignored

And I mean, really ticked off!

I know that there are people up here who match the attitude that this guy's complaining about...

From a website of a candian radio show host...

quote:
The Edmonton Sun
Tue 19 Jul 2005
Page: 10
Section: Editorial/Opinion
Column: Letter of the Day

AS AN average American citizen invited to visit Canada for a
wedding, I was at first impressed by your country. However, after
personally witnessing several times in a few short hours your
country's anti-American attitude first-hand and the extremes that
your citizens will go to to show that we Americans are not welcome,
I am forever now an advocate of anything that will harm Canadian
citizens or your economy. I will now purposefully go out of my way
to show my displeasure and my newfound hatred of any Canadians I
encounter in America. It is now my sincere wish that Canada is the
next bombing target of the terrorists and that no less than one
million of your arrogant citizens are instantly murdered.

Steven P. Chaney



So, while I doubt that many of you are as ticked off as this guy seems to be (could be a bad joke!) How many of you think that we are acting kind of arrogant towards you americans?

I know I've ran into some canadians up here who do have an attitude, how many of them have you run into? Also, how many of those people were mad at the States in general, as opposed to just ticked off at Bush?



I've seen pricks on the right invent conflicts before to whip up their "for us or against us" bullshit. This seems like a real questionable letter. The last time I was in Canada (granted it was in 1987), I found the people to dislike the government but like the people. (What was bizzarre to me was that in 1987 the Canadian post office was on strike)

Most folks are nice in Canada. Should this letter be genuine, he may have bumped into the fringe people who are vehemently anti-US. He could have also been playing the role of ugly American. The type which gives the normal citizens of the US such a lovely reputation as arrogant pricks. Or he could have visited Quebec and bumped into Bloc Quebecois.

Don't worry about this whack job. His extremist views about hoping a million Canadians dying in a terrorist attack and going out of his way to show his new found hatred of Canada tends to indicate he was the ugly American.

Cthulhu/Asmodeus when you're tired of voting for the lesser of two evils

Brother Cutlass of Reasoned Discussion
Edited by - Valiant Dancer on 07/21/2005 06:54:37
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Siberia
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Brazil
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Posted - 07/21/2005 :  06:52:17   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Siberia's Homepage  Send Siberia an AOL message  Send Siberia a Yahoo! Message Send Siberia a Private Message
Being blissfully out of the loop, I love Canadians and sane Americans likewise (even though they stole the whole continent's name, but whatever). I think, however, that the whole of US's contribution to the world (as in discoveries, inventions and whatnot) outdoes the stupidity of its government, so I am not entitled to hate the country as a whole.

In fact, I hate no one, regardless.

Edit 'cause it's too early.

"Why are you afraid of something you're not even sure exists?"
- The Kovenant, Via Negativa

"People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs."
-- unknown
Edited by - Siberia on 07/21/2005 06:53:12
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Kil
Evil Skeptic

USA
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Posted - 07/21/2005 :  07:09:56   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message
quote:
Mab:
...and don't forget that I know from first hand experience that Skeptic Friends are a great bunch of people, but you're sorely outnumbered by Bush-voting imbeciles.

The popular vote for Bush was 51%. 49% voted against Bush. So I think “sorely outnumbered” is a bit of an overstatement. Also he now has a low job approval rating according to polling. If he had to run now, he could very well loose.

As for Canadians attitude for Americans, well, our country has given most other countries reason to worry about us. Having said that, I have driven across Ontario and British Columbia. I never encountered rudeness toward me on the part of Canadians, and in fact I found them to be warm and friendly, (My ex-wife, not withstanding). This was before Bush took office but still, they see lots of Americans and while I see that an attitude change may have occurred with regard to American policies since Bush became president, I would be amazed if Canadians suddenly turned on their visitors from the south based on that.

I'm with Boron, the guy is a fool.

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Why not question something for a change?

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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 07/21/2005 :  10:11:17   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send BigPapaSmurf a Private Message
Warning! This Post Contains Adult Content and Extreme Blasphamy.

Ive never had a problem with Canucks. Slightly less annoying on average than my fellow Americans, but never rude to my face. (Never been to Quebec though) I met this hilarious guy last time I was there, he owned a porno shop in Toronto and said that the best selling item he had was the Jesus Blow-Up Doll, with (coughs) 5 holes to choose from.

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gezzam
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Australia
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Posted - 07/21/2005 :  16:33:21   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit gezzam's Homepage Send gezzam a Private Message
The only American I ever met that I disliked was a marine on leave. I accidentally bumped his drink and I thought he was going to knock me into next week. "I am a US marine, don't ever fuck with me" or something along those lines was what he said as his 6 foot 6 bulk towered over me. I stammered an apology and sauntered back to the pool table nervously.

But all the other Seppo's (not an insult - we went through that some time ago) I have met are fantastic. I recently played golf with an American businessman and we had some great political discussions. We differed on a lot of opinions; however he respected mine, just as I respected his.

It's the US foreign policy that worries me, especially in the Middle East. We Westerners have been sticking our noses there for too long and made so many bad decisions (Saddam being one of them). I wish it were as simple as getting the hell outta there and leaving them to their own devices.

There are arseholes in every country, it's just that the American ones often seem to be a little louder than the others.

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Dr. Mabuse
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Sweden
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Posted - 07/21/2005 :  17:33:42   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Kil

quote:
Mab:
...and don't forget that I know from first hand experience that Skeptic Friends are a great bunch of people, but you're sorely outnumbered by Bush-voting imbeciles.

The popular vote for Bush was 51%. 49% voted against Bush. So I think “sorely outnumbered” is a bit of an overstatement.
It's not... I wrote Skeptic Friends are ... sorely outnumbered by Bush-voting imbeciles. And the people who voted for Kerry (the only viable alternative) was way less than 49% of all citizens eligible to vote. Yes, I also blame the slackers that didn't care enough about their bloody own country (and much less about the rest of the world) to get their sorry asses to the voting station. So I consider at least two thirds of the country imbeciles.

The Al-Qaida definitely made a big strategic error when they didn't get the biggest imbecile of them all. Or perhaps they did the right choice: Terrorist business have never been this good, and it's all thanks to Bush.

(edited for clarification)

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Dr. Mabuse
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Sweden
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Posted - 07/21/2005 :  17:42:22   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Send Dr. Mabuse an ICQ Message Send Dr. Mabuse a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by TomL_12953
quote:
When presented with the false dichotomy that I'm either For USA or Against USA, I realise that being Against USA provides more choices for me with the rest of the world. Being For USA means I have to back up theocracy-building religiously-intolerant and illogical warmongers.

You can be against a country's policies without hating the people who live there.
The government of the USA (or most countries for that matter) doesn't necessarily reflect the views of its citizens.

True on both accounts. Yet I hold you all responsible for not doing enough about the latter.
All Americans I've personally met have been decent enough.
(remember, this thread is a bit tounge-in-cheek, and my opinions are thus slightly exaggerated)

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Kil
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USA
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Posted - 07/21/2005 :  18:48:56   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit Kil's Homepage  Send Kil an AOL message  Send Kil a Yahoo! Message Send Kil a Private Message
quote:
Mab:
And the people who voted for Kerry (the only viable alternative) was way less than 49% of all citizens eligible to vote.

Election Results:
Your right! It was 51% to 48%. One percent voted for Nader… Yes yes, I know, eligible voters are what you said.
quote:
Mab:
So I consider at least two thirds of the country imbeciles.

So, if Ohio had gone to Kerry, giving him the victory, what then would have been percentage of imbeciles?

Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.

Why not question something for a change?

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marfknox
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USA
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Posted - 07/21/2005 :  22:57:32   [Permalink]  Show Profile  Visit marfknox's Homepage  Send marfknox an AOL message Send marfknox a Private Message
I agree with the person who was skeptical that this letter is genuine. But maybe that's because I don't want to believe there is an actual person who would wish a million people dead just over a few remarks insulting the USA. I just don't get people who put country before humanity.

Anyway, teaching in Korea for a year (where about 80% of the ESL teachers are Canadian) I think I got a fair picture of what young, adventurous Canadians think of the USA, and the vast majority of them had sophisticated opinions that didn't simply boil down to "USA bad", or even "US government bad". Unfortunately, a friend of mine was ganged up on by a group of New Zealanders, Australians and Canadians who were enthusiastically saying that "The US got what it deserved with 9-11", but I only met one truly anti-American Canadian, and even he wasn't that bad.


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H. Humbert
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USA
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Posted - 07/21/2005 :  23:18:23   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send H. Humbert a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by marfknox
Unfortunately, a friend of mine was ganged up on by a group of New Zealanders, Australians and Canadians who were enthusiastically saying that "The US got what it deserved with 9-11", but I only met one truly anti-American Canadian, and even he wasn't that bad.
You don't consider a group of people saying "The US got what it deserved with 9-11" to be truly anti-American? What else would you call it? Because I consider that statement to be pretty hateful and pretty damn inexcusable.


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"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool." --Richard P. Feynman

"Face facts with dignity." --found inside a fortune cookie
Edited by - H. Humbert on 07/21/2005 23:19:41
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