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Valiant Dancer
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 Posted - 07/22/2005 : 09:19:11
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8644374/
Anybody else but me have a problem with this kind of technology being used for crowd dispersement?
Seems to be the replacement of the firehose.
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Paulos23
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Posted - 07/22/2005 : 13:41:54 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8644374/
Anybody else but me have a problem with this kind of technology being used for crowd dispersement?
Seems to be the replacement of the firehose.
If they feel the heat, can they tell where it is coming from and therefore move away from it? The bit about metal objects and glasses is a problem too. |
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Siberia
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Posted - 07/22/2005 : 13:48:13 [Permalink]
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| oo... finally someone invented the ray gun. |
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 07/22/2005 : 15:06:53 [Permalink]
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So Iraq will be the final in-field testing ground for new weapons technology.
Mind you, I prefer military using non-lethal weapons rather than lethal force.
With such a high frequency I think a person should be able to feel from what general direction the beam is coming. It's operating between microwave oven frequency and far infra red. |
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 07/22/2005 : 15:18:26 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Paulos23
If they feel the heat, can they tell where it is coming from and therefore move away from it? The bit about metal objects and glasses is a problem too.
It would be a good way of disarming people in the crowds.
I've seen sci-fi on TV where Superman or some other hero/villain heat an opponent's weapon until it's too hot to handle.
Problem is, how to regulate the heat to avoid the ammo in the clip going popcorn on you. What would be disasterous.
There's an old Swedish army assault rifle that goes on runaway auto-fire if it becomes too over-heated. A friend of mine experienced it, but thus far I haven't heard of any injuries from those accidents, except from 2nd degree burns on hand and fingers from the barrel once the clip was empty.  |
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Chippewa
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Posted - 07/22/2005 : 19:28:38 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
So Iraq will be the final in-field testing ground for new weapons technology. Mind you, I prefer military using non-lethal weapons rather than lethal force...
The official term used is "less lethal" meaning within a large enough crowd, statistically, some individuals will die.
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R.Wreck
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Posted - 07/23/2005 : 14:12:57 [Permalink]
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| This reminded me of the urban legend of the watchman killed by the microwave transmitter. |
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Dude
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Posted - 07/23/2005 : 16:31:29 [Permalink]
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Anybody else but me have a problem with this kind of technology being used for crowd dispersement?
Seems to be the replacement of the firehose.
Seems less potentially harmfull than the old plastic bullets and sandbag guns and teargass.
In a riot it is already to late to expect that no one will be injured or killed.
The question I have is, will this be less dangerous than the currently used methods of riot dispersal? If so, I'm all for it.
There are other possible applications for this as well. Have a spot of open ground you don;t want anyone walkin accross? Set up a field. There could be alot us uses for it.
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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 07/25/2005 : 05:24:34 [Permalink]
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| Bring in the scoops! Really wouldnt John Tesh at 100db do the trick? |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 07/25/2005 : 06:30:33 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by BigPapaSmurf
Really wouldnt John Tesh at 100db do the trick?
Years ago, I read an article which discussed the fact that 2,000 watts of audio power make things really unpleasant for the listener, and so some European police forces were taking four 500-watt amps to the scene of riots and playing anything through them to get the people to disperse. The article claimed that this practice was very successful, although I'm guessing that the absence of this technique through much of the world suggests otherwise. |
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BigPapaSmurf
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Posted - 07/25/2005 : 07:04:38 [Permalink]
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Well now that wouldnt justify a (2 billion dollar)* price tag now would it.
*Guesstimate on US LTL research expenditures. |
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 07/25/2005 : 09:06:37 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Ricky
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“What happens if someone in a crowd is unable for whatever reason to move away from the beam,” asked Neil Davison, coordinator of the non-lethal weapons research project at Britain's Bradford University. “How do you ensure that the dose doesn't cross the threshold for permanent damage? Does the weapon cut out to prevent overexposure?”
One thing the article doesn't say is where (or when) is the threshold for permanent damage?
And if it is a low threshold, perhaps the intensity can be lowered to a point where it is less effective, but still gets the job done fairly well.
Oh, and one more thing:
How much are people payed to be test subjects? And where do I sign up?
I would suppose the threshold for permanent damage would depend on how much metal the individual had on them. Change, piercings, glasses, watches, dental work, etc. Once the first fire starts, permanent damage may result fairly quickly. |
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